Based of this cenario, if i play a fetchland, my land number will go to five, then the Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle first half of the ability triggers, in responde, i sacrifice the Sakura-Tribe Elder, now i have 6 lands in play, this way both the Sakura-TribeElder land and the Fetchland will deal damage ?
Sorry if this was asked before, i tried used the search but couldn't find out if the Valakut first half of the triggers always happen if i play a Mountain, regardless of the amount of lands i have in play.
I don't think it will trigger as both lands don't come in at the same time, like say if Primeval Titan's ability does.
If you already had 5 lands (mountains) in play already, it would.
However, once you get to 5 lands through the fetchland, sac'ing Sakura to get another land - that will trigger valakut at that time.
Valakut has an intervening-if clause. This means, that in order to trigger in the first place this condition must be true already. And for the trigger to resolve the condition must be true at resolution also. Your fetchland will trigger Valakut in this scenario, because its trigger condition is true due to Valakut itself being made a Mountain by Prismatic Omen, so you do control 5 other Mountains when your fetchland (which is also a Mountain due to Omen) enters the battlefield. The land your STE fetches will trigger Valakut as well fr the same reason.
If you had only 3 other lands when playing your fetchland, then Valakut wouldn't trigger for that. your STE could only change that, if you fetch a land with it before playing the fetchland. but then the land from STE wouldn't trigger Valakut.
Valakut's trigger has an "intervening 'if' clause", that applies both on triggering and on resolving. That means it will only trigger if, at the moment the new mountain enters, you need to have at least five other mountains already on the battlefield, and that you need to still have five other mountains (don't need to be the same ones) when the ability resolves.
Now, I'm not sure what you're saying in your scenario. If you say you play a fetchland, that usually means you're putting it on the battlefield from your hand. That sounds like the fetchland is not one of the "4 other lands" you listed before. But then you say you reach 6 lands when you sacrifice the Elder, but you're reaching 7 at this point. You do realize that, thanks to Prismatic Omen, the Valakut itself is a mountain that counts for the "if clause", right? When Valakut's ability says "five other mountains" it is 'other than the mountain that entered', not 'other than Valakut itself'. As long as you have Valakut and other 4 other lands plus Prismatic Omen, then you have "5 other mountains" in relation to any land you put on the battlefield - be it the fetchland, the land you get with the fetchland, or the land you get with Sakura-Tribe Elder. You don't need to sacrifice the Elder and the Fetch at the same time to deal damage, they already deal damage by themselves.
Another possible reading here is that you meant the fetchland was one of the "4 other lands". So when the fetchland enters, you don't have enough lands to trigger Valakut yet. You'll need to sacrifice the Elder first, and only when this land enters (triggering Valakut) you'll be safe to sacrifice the fetchland to get another land (again triggering Valakut) - but you don't need to this in response to Valakut's trigger.
Sorry, i made a mistake when telling how many lands i had in play.
The situation would be 3 lands + Valakut - > Play fetchland, 5 lands in play -> Fetchland trigger on the stack -> Sacrifice Sakura -> 6 lands in play -> Both Sakura land and fetchland deal damage.
The idea was to make both the fetchland deal damage upon entering the battlefield, as the land fetched with sakura.
But now it is clear to me that it will only trigger if i have at least 5 lands in play.
Thanks everyone, really appreciate it.
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I have a questions regarding Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, my question is on this cenario:
I have a Prismatic Omen in play, one Sakura-Tribe Elder in play, 1 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle + 4 other lands in play.
Based of this cenario, if i play a fetchland, my land number will go to five, then the Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle first half of the ability triggers, in responde, i sacrifice the Sakura-Tribe Elder, now i have 6 lands in play, this way both the Sakura-TribeElder land and the Fetchland will deal damage ?
Sorry if this was asked before, i tried used the search but couldn't find out if the Valakut first half of the triggers always happen if i play a Mountain, regardless of the amount of lands i have in play.
Thanks,
Pedro.
If you already had 5 lands (mountains) in play already, it would.
However, once you get to 5 lands through the fetchland, sac'ing Sakura to get another land - that will trigger valakut at that time.
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If you had only 3 other lands when playing your fetchland, then Valakut wouldn't trigger for that. your STE could only change that, if you fetch a land with it before playing the fetchland. but then the land from STE wouldn't trigger Valakut.
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Now, I'm not sure what you're saying in your scenario. If you say you play a fetchland, that usually means you're putting it on the battlefield from your hand. That sounds like the fetchland is not one of the "4 other lands" you listed before. But then you say you reach 6 lands when you sacrifice the Elder, but you're reaching 7 at this point. You do realize that, thanks to Prismatic Omen, the Valakut itself is a mountain that counts for the "if clause", right? When Valakut's ability says "five other mountains" it is 'other than the mountain that entered', not 'other than Valakut itself'. As long as you have Valakut and other 4 other lands plus Prismatic Omen, then you have "5 other mountains" in relation to any land you put on the battlefield - be it the fetchland, the land you get with the fetchland, or the land you get with Sakura-Tribe Elder. You don't need to sacrifice the Elder and the Fetch at the same time to deal damage, they already deal damage by themselves.
Another possible reading here is that you meant the fetchland was one of the "4 other lands". So when the fetchland enters, you don't have enough lands to trigger Valakut yet. You'll need to sacrifice the Elder first, and only when this land enters (triggering Valakut) you'll be safe to sacrifice the fetchland to get another land (again triggering Valakut) - but you don't need to this in response to Valakut's trigger.
The situation would be 3 lands + Valakut - > Play fetchland, 5 lands in play -> Fetchland trigger on the stack -> Sacrifice Sakura -> 6 lands in play -> Both Sakura land and fetchland deal damage.
The idea was to make both the fetchland deal damage upon entering the battlefield, as the land fetched with sakura.
But now it is clear to me that it will only trigger if i have at least 5 lands in play.
Thanks everyone, really appreciate it.