A couple of things have been happening on Magic Online that seem non-intuitive and I am not sure if they are bugs or I am missing something.
First, the Daring Thief inspired trigger seems to say that if I and my opponent have a card in play that shares a type (i.e. creature, enchantment, etc.) I can exchange control of them. However I notice that if a card has multiple types (i.e. enchantment creature), MTGO won't let me swap. So the question is, is "enchantment creature" it's own unique type and things are working correctly, or is the creature both an enchantment AND a creature and the swap should be allowed?
Second, I bestowed Hypnotic Siren onto an opponent's creature enchanted with Aqueous Form. When I attacked with said creature, my opponent was allowed to scry instead of me. Is that correct? It felt like when I took control of the creature and attacked, I should be the one to scry.
enchantment creature means you should be able to exchange it with anything that is an enchantment or a creature. They only have to share one type. If they have other types they do not matter.
The scrying is correct, though you control his creature he still controls the aqueous form on his creature. Since he has the Aqueous he controls the trigger (even if you cause the trigger it is still his trigger), and thus it tells him to scry, as controller of the trigger.
A couple of things have been happening on Magic Online that seem non-intuitive and I am not sure if they are bugs or I am missing something.
First, the Daring Thief inspired trigger seems to say that if I and my opponent have a card in play that shares a type (i.e. creature, enchantment, etc.) I can exchange control of them. However I notice that if a card has multiple types (i.e. enchantment creature), MTGO won't let me swap. So the question is, is "enchantment creature" it's own unique type and things are working correctly, or is the creature both an enchantment AND a creature and the swap should be allowed?
Second, I bestowed Hypnotic Siren onto an opponent's creature enchanted with Aqueous Form. When I attacked with said creature, my opponent was allowed to scry instead of me. Is that correct? It felt like when I took control of the creature and attacked, I should be the one to scry.
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1. It is both an enchantment and a creature and the swap should be allowed.
2. Aqueous form doesn't grant the creature a trigger allowing the scry but rather triggers the scry tself. And since your opponent still control the aqueous form he/she will control the scrytrigger.
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Just to be sure: You're not talking about a bestowed creature, right? Because even if it says "Enchantment Creature" in its type line, it's only an enchantment if it's bestowed.
To disambiguate here, because its important, the Bestow creatures are always enchantments but when bestowed they cease to be creatures.
1 Yes, you should be able to swap an Enchantment Creature (like a God) with either an enchantment OR a creature.
2 Gaining control of a creature does not give you control of the enchantments on that creature. It's still an opponent's enchantment on a creature you control. This means all the triggered abilities are still theirs. The same applies to equipment. There are some enchantments, however, like deviant glee that give the ability to the creature. But you can tell these apart since they say so and have the ability placed in quotes.
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First, the Daring Thief inspired trigger seems to say that if I and my opponent have a card in play that shares a type (i.e. creature, enchantment, etc.) I can exchange control of them. However I notice that if a card has multiple types (i.e. enchantment creature), MTGO won't let me swap. So the question is, is "enchantment creature" it's own unique type and things are working correctly, or is the creature both an enchantment AND a creature and the swap should be allowed?
Second, I bestowed Hypnotic Siren onto an opponent's creature enchanted with Aqueous Form. When I attacked with said creature, my opponent was allowed to scry instead of me. Is that correct? It felt like when I took control of the creature and attacked, I should be the one to scry.
Thanks!
The scrying is correct, though you control his creature he still controls the aqueous form on his creature. Since he has the Aqueous he controls the trigger (even if you cause the trigger it is still his trigger), and thus it tells him to scry, as controller of the trigger.
1. It is both an enchantment and a creature and the swap should be allowed.
2. Aqueous form doesn't grant the creature a trigger allowing the scry but rather triggers the scry tself. And since your opponent still control the aqueous form he/she will control the scrytrigger.
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To disambiguate here, because its important, the Bestow creatures are always enchantments but when bestowed they cease to be creatures.
2 Gaining control of a creature does not give you control of the enchantments on that creature. It's still an opponent's enchantment on a creature you control. This means all the triggered abilities are still theirs. The same applies to equipment. There are some enchantments, however, like deviant glee that give the ability to the creature. But you can tell these apart since they say so and have the ability placed in quotes.