How would the 6 wish cards (4 in particular) interact with the challenge deck and hero's path cards? This would of course be in the cases for unsanctioned (casual) games where the wishes have a different clause in their rules (stating that I can choose any card from my collection). For instance:
Can I use Golden Wish to search outside the game for a hero artifact card from the Hero's Path, an artifact card from the Battle the Horde challenge deck, or an enchantment card from the Defeat a God challenge deck and put it in my hand?
Can I use Burning Wish to search outside the game for a sorcery card from the Face the Hydra, Battle the Horde, or Defeat a God challenge deck and put it in my hand?
Can I use Living Wish to search outside the game for a creature card from the Face the Hydra, Battle the Horde, or Defeat a God challenge deck and put it in my hand?
Can I use Death Wish to search outside the game for any hero card from the Hero's Path or any card from a challenge deck and put it in my hand?
Ok, so I know this might seem a bit jarring but here's where my logic's at:
For all effects and purposes these challenge decks are players that "cast" the spells as per its mechanics or effects. So, the spells enter the stack until they resolve (get countered, fizzle, etc.).
For all effects and purposes creatures, artifacts, and enchantments from the challenge decks are treated normally as permanents except that they are sent to the graveyard if they'd otherwise be removed from the battlefield.
Hero cards are permanents on the battlefield.
Now, my reasoning is that these cards are considered to be "cards" (unlike tokens or emblems) so the wishes should be able to search for them. However, if this at all were to be possible, this brings up a couple of more questions:
Would they cost 0 to cast?
Would they be sent to the graveyard if they were to be removed from the battlefield as if The Hydra, The Horde, or Xenagos were using them?
Are Hero cards sent to the graveyard in the same way?
Though the comprehensive rules have yet to be updated (to my knowledge) to deal with these kinds of questions and situations concerning these cards from the Theros block (maybe they'll be updated with the official release of the Conspiracy set (along with the rules for the Conspiracy type cards as well - probably) which should prevent any possible headaches when dealing with the new card types and maybe subtypes (like Elite, Hero, etc.)), I'd really like to know what's the current status for these kinds of situation. Anyone know how the rules would interact with each other in these cases?
On a sidenote, now that I'm on the topic of it, can I use the wishes to search outside the game for cards from the Happy Holidays promos, Unglued, or Unhinged sets? Or can the wishes only look for cards that are legal to play in that game (legal to play in the format of said game)? Again, this is for unsanctioned games.
P.S.: Since elite and reveler are now official creature subtypes, are creatures with the changeling ability also elite and reveler as well?
P.S.S.: Maybe the conspiracy card type rules would include what happens in the case where I cast Death Wish and want to search outside the game for a conspiracy card.
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The simple answer is that they don't meet the rules definition of a traditional card, so they aren't traditional cards.
They may be non-traditional cards, but you're specifically prohibited for wishing for those.
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108.5. Nontraditional Magic cards can’t start the game in any zone other than the command zone (see rule 408). If an effect would bring a nontraditional Magic card into the game from outside the game, it doesn’t; that card remains outside the game.
The rules don't cover them specifically because when you play battle the horde/hydra/xenagos, you're not actually playing magic, you're playing a spin-off that uses similar rules. You can't play with them in a normal game of magicwithout introducing new rules for them (specifically overriding 108.5 above).
That being said, if you are playing a casual game with them the following would apply:
They have no casting cost, so they cannot be cast without other means.
They are not traditional cards, so they cannot be brought into the game via wishes. If you determine that you want to consider them non-traditional cards, they can be interacted with by things that specify doing something to 'cards', as long as they're already inside the game.
If you start with one of the weapons, it will be a permanent and can be bounced or destroyed.
If it is destroyed/exiled, it will be put into the appropriate zone.
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What about using the wishes for getting Unglued, Unhinged, or promos?
Unhinged/Unglued cards aren't legal in any constructed formats. Most promo cards are legal in the same formats as the regular versions of such cards, unless we're talking about two different things here.
Sounds like an issue of house rules as to whether you'd allow such cards in a casual setting.
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The Wish cards, even in a casual setting, can only ever retrieve cards that are legal. If you couldn't include the card in your deck at the start of the game, then you can't wish for it.
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The Wish cards, even in a casual setting, can only ever retrieve cards that are legal. If you couldn't include the card in your deck at the start of the game, then you can't wish for it.
... but as with anything about the rules in a non-tournament setting, you're free to house-rule it differently, as long as everyone agrees. It's very simple really : in tournaments, wishes are limited to your sideboard, which must contain only cards that could be in your main deck for the format you're playing. In casual, you can do whatever your playgroup lets you get away with.
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Yeah, that's true. But then again, if I had to discuss using cards from Unsets or the Holiday Promos with my playgroup I might as well include them in the deck to begin with :P. It's just that Magical Hacker is too broken with planeswalkers. That guy should see a functional reprint like The Cheese Stands Alone did....
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On a sidenote, now that I'm on the topic of it, can I use the wishes to search outside the game for cards from the Happy Holidays promos, Unglued, or Unhinged sets? Or can the wishes only look for cards that are legal to play in that game (legal to play in the format of said game)? Again, this is for unsanctioned games.
P.S.: Since elite and reveler are now official creature subtypes, are creatures with the changeling ability also elite and reveler as well?
P.S.S.: Maybe the conspiracy card type rules would include what happens in the case where I cast Death Wish and want to search outside the game for a conspiracy card.
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They may be non-traditional cards, but you're specifically prohibited for wishing for those.
The rules don't cover them specifically because when you play battle the horde/hydra/xenagos, you're not actually playing magic, you're playing a spin-off that uses similar rules. You can't play with them in a normal game of magicwithout introducing new rules for them (specifically overriding 108.5 above).
That being said, if you are playing a casual game with them the following would apply:
What about using the wishes for getting Unglued, Unhinged, or promos?
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Unhinged/Unglued cards aren't legal in any constructed formats. Most promo cards are legal in the same formats as the regular versions of such cards, unless we're talking about two different things here.
Sounds like an issue of house rules as to whether you'd allow such cards in a casual setting.
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