Ok, so forgive me if i screw this up, i litterally made an account just to ask this. So lets say i play an infernal tutor, and while retaining priority i cast one with nothing. As one with nothing resolves, i discard an Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from my hand. I search for Goryo's Vengeance with the tutor, so the only card i have is Goryo's. The question i have is how emrakul's trigger is added to the stack, would the tutor resolve first and be able to reanimate him, or does emrakul's trigger first making the whole play useless?
Ok, so forgive me if i screw this up, i litterally made an account just to ask this. So lets say i play an infernal tutor, and while retaining priority i cast one with nothing. As one with nothing resolves, i discard an Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from my hand. I search for Goryo's Vengeance with the tutor, so the only card i have is Goryo's. The question i have is how emrakul's trigger is added to the stack, would the tutor resolve first and be able to reanimate him, or does emrakul's trigger first making the whole play useless?
Here's how it will play out:
Cast Infernal Tutor.
Retain Priority, cast One With Nothing. Stack is now Bottom -> Infernal Tutor -> One with Nothing -> Top
Allow OWN to resolve, discarding your hand, including Emrakul. Emrakul goes to your graveyard and triggers. Stack is now Bottom -> Infernal Tutor -> Emrakul Trigger -> Top
The Emrakul trigger thus resolves next.
Finally, you resolve your Infernal Tutor. By this point, Emrakul is long-gone.
The fact that you have to respond to your tutor with the effect that discards Emrakul means that Emrakul's trigger will have long resolved by the time your tutor resolves.
What you really want to do is play a card that gets you the Vengeance and *then* discards Emrakul as part of its resolution, allowing you to respond to Emrakul's trigger with the Vengeance. Gamble, for example, would do this (assuming you can randomly discard the Emrakul successfully), as would a card like Faithless Looting.
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Yeah, I am running four faithless lootings in the deck. But, I don't always have them in hand. I was just wondering because I am running all cards named above in the deck (besides Gamble) and the aforementioned situation arose while play testing.
Just another quick question; if Emrakul is brought into play using a card such as Howltooth Hollow, would I get the extra turn? I am familiar with the difference between putting into play and casting, and I read somewhere that "playing" is essentially casting (though that maybe wrong.) But what is the ruling on "playing a card without paying its mana cost?
"Playing a card without paying its mana cost" is essentially the same thing as "casting a card without paying its mana cost", except that it also allows you to play the card if it's a land, since lands can't be cast.
You are correct with hollowtooth hollow and the other hideaway cards you are still casting the spell all be it from a strange place so Emrakul and co will trigger.
Just be aware that some cards do specify that they need to be cast from the hand to have their beneficial effects though.
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lets say that i cast demonic collusion, searching for goryo's vengeance. i discard emrakul to buy back collusion, would i be able to search for goryo's first or would it have the same outcome as before?
It would be the exact same situation. Demonic Collusion has to resolve before you get it's effects, and before then you have an Emrakul in your graveyard that just triggered.
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lets say that i cast demonic collusion, searching for goryo's vengeance. i discard emrakul to buy back collusion, would i be able to search for goryo's first or would it have the same outcome as before?
Same as which outcome?
This is what would happen:
Your main phase begins.
You get priority and cast Demonic Collusion. You choose to use buyback. The total cost is "3BB, discard two cards"; you pay it using mana obtained in an unspecified way and discarding Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and one other card. This triggers the ability of Emrakul.
You would get priority, but there is a triggered ability to put on the stack. You put "When Emrakul is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library." on the stack.
You get priority and pass.
Opponent gets priority and passes.
The top object on the stack (the ability put there in step 3) resolves. You shuffle your graveyard (including Emrakul) into your library.
You get priority and pass.
Opponent gets priority and passes.
The top object on the stack (the spell cast in step 2) resolves. You search your library and put Goryo's Vengeance into your hand. You shuffle your library. You put Demonic Collusion into your hand.
You get priority and ....
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Here's how it will play out:
Cast Infernal Tutor.
Retain Priority, cast One With Nothing. Stack is now Bottom -> Infernal Tutor -> One with Nothing -> Top
Allow OWN to resolve, discarding your hand, including Emrakul. Emrakul goes to your graveyard and triggers. Stack is now Bottom -> Infernal Tutor -> Emrakul Trigger -> Top
The Emrakul trigger thus resolves next.
Finally, you resolve your Infernal Tutor. By this point, Emrakul is long-gone.
The fact that you have to respond to your tutor with the effect that discards Emrakul means that Emrakul's trigger will have long resolved by the time your tutor resolves.
What you really want to do is play a card that gets you the Vengeance and *then* discards Emrakul as part of its resolution, allowing you to respond to Emrakul's trigger with the Vengeance. Gamble, for example, would do this (assuming you can randomly discard the Emrakul successfully), as would a card like Faithless Looting.
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When One with nothing resolves and you discard Emrakul, it's ability triggers and is placed on the top of the stack, above the tutor.
This means Emrakul's trigger must resolve before the tutor can, 'making the whole play useless' as you put it.
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Just be aware that some cards do specify that they need to be cast from the hand to have their beneficial effects though.
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Same as which outcome?
This is what would happen: