I play Vesuvan Doppelganger targeting Sisay, and my buddy uses Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to give Sisay protection from white, and then it's second ability to make the Doppleganger white.
How would this work out?
His idea was that I targeted the card with a effect, the vesuvean would not be able to copy it, and it would go to the graveyard. I thought color wouldn't matter because its copying, not targeting it with a effect.
Looking at its rules now I see these in particular:
9/16/2007 Vesuvan Doppelganger copies the mana cost of the creature it's copying but doesn't copy its color.
(so being white with white protection would not matter)
9/16/2007: Although Vesuvan Doppelganger's triggered ability is targeted, its "as enters the battlefield" ability is not.
(as it enters the battlefield that first copy is non-targeted thus working around protection as well)
I play Vesuvan Doppelganger targeting Sisay, and my buddy uses Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to give Sisay protection from white, and then it's second ability to make the Doppleganger white.
How would this work out?
You're correct in saying that Vesuvan Doppelganger's "as enters the battlefield" ability doesn't target, so giving any creature protection from anything wouldn't matter. You're free to choose to copy the Captain Sisay in this scenario, as it doesn't involve targeting in any way.
If you're talking about the triggered ability, however, during your upkeep, after the events you described, the stack is as follows:
In this case, your Doppelganger will become white (regardless of what color it was before), and Sisay will gain protection from white. Because the upkeep trigger now comes from a white source, and Sisay has protection from white sources, the ability will be countered for having an illegal target and do nothing; the Doppelganger would not become a copy of Captain Sisay.
Just because the Doppelganger's ability was countered, though, doesn't mean that it automatically goes to your graveyard.
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You're correct in saying that Vesuvan Doppelganger's "as enters the battlefield" ability doesn't target, so giving any creature protection from anything wouldn't matter. You're free to choose to copy the Captain Sisay in this scenario, as it doesn't involve targeting in any way.
If you're talking about the triggered ability, however, during your upkeep, after the events you described, the stack is as follows:
In this case, your Doppelganger will become white (regardless of what color it was before), and Sisay will gain protection from white. Because the upkeep trigger now comes from a white source, and Sisay has protection from white sources, the ability will be countered for having an illegal target and do nothing; the Doppelganger would not become a copy of Captain Sisay.
Just because the Doppelganger's ability was countered, though, doesn't mean that it automatically goes to your graveyard.
The question was I "play" and it is a clone spell and does not target so protection does nothing to stop you from copying any creature. Your second part if you try to use the triggered ability and it is countered and Vesuvan Doppelganger does not change except for being white as the ability changing it was countered.
My buddy has Captain Sisay and Eight-and-a-Half-Tails in play.
I play Vesuvan Doppelganger targeting Sisay, and my buddy uses Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to give Sisay protection from white, and then it's second ability to make the Doppleganger white.
How would this work out?
His idea was that I targeted the card with a effect, the vesuvean would not be able to copy it, and it would go to the graveyard. I thought color wouldn't matter because its copying, not targeting it with a effect.
Looking at its rules now I see these in particular:
9/16/2007 Vesuvan Doppelganger copies the mana cost of the creature it's copying but doesn't copy its color.
(so being white with white protection would not matter)
9/16/2007: Although Vesuvan Doppelganger's triggered ability is targeted, its "as enters the battlefield" ability is not.
(as it enters the battlefield that first copy is non-targeted thus working around protection as well)
You're correct in saying that Vesuvan Doppelganger's "as enters the battlefield" ability doesn't target, so giving any creature protection from anything wouldn't matter. You're free to choose to copy the Captain Sisay in this scenario, as it doesn't involve targeting in any way.
If you're talking about the triggered ability, however, during your upkeep, after the events you described, the stack is as follows:
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Eight-and-a-Half-Tails making your Vesuvan Doppelganger white
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails giving Captain Sisay protection from white
Your Vesuvan Doppelganger's upkeep trigger, targeting Captain Sisay
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In this case, your Doppelganger will become white (regardless of what color it was before), and Sisay will gain protection from white. Because the upkeep trigger now comes from a white source, and Sisay has protection from white sources, the ability will be countered for having an illegal target and do nothing; the Doppelganger would not become a copy of Captain Sisay.
Just because the Doppelganger's ability was countered, though, doesn't mean that it automatically goes to your graveyard.
[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] -> Lightning Bolt
[c=Lightning Bolt]Apple Pie[/c] -> Apple Pie
Vowels-Only Format
Minimum deck size: 60
Maximum number of identical cards: 4
Ban list: Cards whose English names begin with a consonant, Unglued and Unhinged cards, cards involving ante, Ancestral Recall
The question was I "play" and it is a clone spell and does not target so protection does nothing to stop you from copying any creature. Your second part if you try to use the triggered ability and it is countered and Vesuvan Doppelganger does not change except for being white as the ability changing it was countered.
I thought thats how it worked, but I have been out of magic for a while and it's taking a bit to understand the current stack.
It doesn't actually use the stack at all. It just enters the battlefield as a copy of a creature of your choice (or as a 0/0 with no abilities).
This is a replacement effect.