Hello, I just have a little question I want someone to answer.
Scenario:
-Player A attacks with a 4/4 and with a 3/3. Player B defends with a 2/4 first strike , death touch, what happens?
*Think I choose to have my 2/4 firststrike deathtouch to block the 4/4, wich is going to die because of the deathtouch and my 2/4 is not going to be dealt any damage so it will survive, but the question is, in the second combate fase, can I still use my 2/4 firststrike deathtouch to block the 3/3 an kill it as well? or first strike creatures can be used only on the first strike combat damage fase?
most creatures can only block 1 creature per combat (the card will specify if it can block more than 1). if you assign your 2/4 first strike/deathtouch to the 4/4, the 4/4 dies and your creatures lives. you would then take 3 damage from the unblocked 3/3.
If you have creatures with first strike, there will indeeed be two seperate combat damage stems. However, there is still only one declare blockers step.
Your 2/4 can block and kill either creature and live, but not both.
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Not sure what you mean, in combat the "1st strike damage step" is still after declaring blockers, so you can still block it with something bigger than it without 1st strike to kill it (unless the creature has deathtouch, in that case your creature will either need to also have at least 1st strike, indestructible, or pro that attacker)
Not sure what you mean, in combat the "1st strike damage step" is still after declaring blockers, so you can still block it with something bigger than it without 1st strike to kill it (unless the creature has deathtouch, in that case your creature will either need to also have at least 1st strike, indestructible, or pro that attacker)
yeah im pretty confused about how does first strike works.
Can you put a scenario example explaining to me how a 2/2 first strike creature can be killed by a non first strike creature?
Thanks!
Thank you 2goth4U for your answer, clarified a lot!
First strike doesn't do anything until we try to go to combat damage, until then combat plays out as normal. Then we go to "1st strike damage" where creature with 1st strike or double strike do damage (where your 2/2 does damage), after that step there is another combat damage step, but this time only things that didn't do damage in the last step and things that have double strike do damage.
So if a 2/2 1st strike is blocked by a 3/3, then in the 1st damage step the 2/2 hits the 3/3 for 2 damage, but doesn't die because it has 3 toughness. In the next damage step the 3/3 gets to do damage and hits the 2/2 for 3 damage and will then be destroyed due to lethal damage.
awesome! got it! , thank you very much Rafig for your help. just one more thing...
If I decide to block with a first strike creature, what happens?
*someone attacks me with a 2/2 non first strike, I decide to block with my 2/2 first strike. Attacker creature dies, but what about mine? I mean, is first strike applied when blocking as well?
Yes 1st strike and double strike doesn't matter who controls the creature nor who is attacking and blocking, on either side they 1st strike will deal damage in the 1st combat damage step.
edit: A creature won't deal damage in the combat damage step if it has been removed from the battlefield (when it leaves the field it stops being in combat), so your 2/2 1st strike will live cause there is nothing to hurt it anymore.
so that means that if a 2/2 and another 2/2 attacks, and I block with my first strike 2/2... one atackers 2/2 will die, then the other 2/2 deals.... direct damage? or deals damage to the 2/2 first strike causing both creature to die? haha sorry, its confusing!
I think you have a misunderstanding about combat, not every creature you have is trying to block everything. During the declare blockers step you choice which creatures are blocking which attacking creatures (tho naturally creatures can only block one creature). You are allowed to let creatures just hit you and not block anything.
If your 2/2 1st strike did somehow block two 2/2 it would kill 1 and die to the other (the other would live), because the 2nd would still be alive to hit it in the 2nd combat damage step.
okay, im pretty confused now. I read somewhere that a player can block one creature with more than one creature, for example an 8/8 with 4 2/2's causing the 5 creatures to die... is this correct, or not?
so that means that if a 2/2 and another 2/2 attacks, and I block with my first strike 2/2... one atackers 2/2 will die, then the other 2/2 deals.... direct damage? or deals damage to the 2/2 first strike causing both creature to die? haha sorry, its confusing!
May I suggest the Dual of the Planeswalkers PC game as a way to learn quickly? Even the free demo teaches combat pretty well.
To make this as clear as possible, you will need to look at the sequential order of the combat phase. Ordinary combat without first strike looks like this:
Enter Combat Step
Declare Attackers Step
Declare Blockers Step
Combat Damage Step
Combat Damage Resolution Step
In the order above, you see that there is only one combat damage step. First strike resolution uses an additional combat damage and resolution step, making combat look like this:
Enter Combat Step
Declare Attackers Step
Declare Blockers Step
First Strike Combat Damage Step
First Strike Combat Damage Resolution Step
Combat Damage Step
Combat Damage Resolution Step
In addition to this, a creature with double strike assigns and deals damage once during the First Strike Combat Damage sequence, and again during the ordinary Combat Damage sequence.
The progression of each step is as follows:
During the enter combat step, each player is given the opportunity to cast instants and activate abilities prior to attackers being declared. After priority is passed by the non-active player with an empty stack, this step ends.
During the declare attack step, the active player declares all creatures he is going to attack with and taps them if required. Then the non-active player is given an opportunity to cast instants or activate abilities. If he passes and the active player also has no effects, the declare block step begins.
During the declare block step, the defending player may assign any number of blocking creatures to a single attacker, but cannot assign a single blocker to many attackers unless an ability specifies otherwise. Each player is again given the opportunity to cast instants and activate abilities.
During the first strike damage assignment step, the attacking player decides which order he is going to deal damage to the defending player's blockers for each of his creatures. Each creature with first strike must assign at least lethal damage before assigning damage to a consecutive blocker. A creature with deathtouch only is required to deal a single damage to be considered lethal.
During the first strike damage resolution step, all creatures with first strike simultaneously deal damage. Any creatures without first or double strike removed from combat or killed before the regular combat step occurs deals no damage.
The regular combat damage and resolution steps occur identically to the first strike damage step, but creatures with first strike do not deal damage a second time unless they have double strike. Creatures that are still on the battlefield and are still part of combat now assign and deal damage.
During the enter combat step, each player is given the opportunity to cast instants and activate abilities prior to attackers being declared. After priority is passed by the non-active player with an empty stack, this step ends.
During the declare attack step, the active player declares all creatures he is going to attack with and taps them if required. Then the non-active player is given an opportunity to cast instants or activate abilities. If he passes and the active player also has no effects, the declare block step begins.
During the declare block step, the defending player may assign any number of blocking creatures to a single attacker, but cannot assign a single blocker to many attackers unless an ability specifies otherwise. Each player is again given the opportunity to cast instants and activate abilities.
During the first strike damage assignment step, the attacking player decides which order he is going to deal damage to the defending player's blockers for each of his creatures. Each creature with first strike must assign at least lethal damage before assigning damage to a consecutive blocker. A creature with deathtouch only is required to deal a single damage to be considered lethal.
During the first strike damage resolution step, all creatures with first strike simultaneously deal damage. Any creatures without first or double strike removed from combat or killed before the regular combat step occurs deals no damage.
The regular combat damage and resolution steps occur identically to the first strike damage step, but creatures with first strike do not deal damage a second time unless they have double strike. Creatures that are still on the battlefield and are still part of combat now assign and deal damage.
While you have the general ideas down, there are a few errors concerning in which steps some things occur:
Damage Assignment Order (not damage assignment) for multiple creatures blocking/blocked by a single creature is done in the Declare Blockers Step.
There is no Damage Resolution Step separate from the Damage Step. Damage is dealt in the Damage Step (and the extra Damage Step if any creatures had Firststike or Doublestrike).
Scenario:
-Player A attacks with a 4/4 and with a 3/3. Player B defends with a 2/4 first strike , death touch, what happens?
*Think I choose to have my 2/4 firststrike deathtouch to block the 4/4, wich is going to die because of the deathtouch and my 2/4 is not going to be dealt any damage so it will survive, but the question is, in the second combate fase, can I still use my 2/4 firststrike deathtouch to block the 3/3 an kill it as well? or first strike creatures can be used only on the first strike combat damage fase?
Thank you for your further answers!!!:nod:
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Your 2/4 can block and kill either creature and live, but not both.
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So how can I kill a first stike creature?
Not sure what you mean, in combat the "1st strike damage step" is still after declaring blockers, so you can still block it with something bigger than it without 1st strike to kill it (unless the creature has deathtouch, in that case your creature will either need to also have at least 1st strike, indestructible, or pro that attacker)
yeah im pretty confused about how does first strike works.
Can you put a scenario example explaining to me how a 2/2 first strike creature can be killed by a non first strike creature?
Thanks!
Thank you 2goth4U for your answer, clarified a lot!
So if a 2/2 1st strike is blocked by a 3/3, then in the 1st damage step the 2/2 hits the 3/3 for 2 damage, but doesn't die because it has 3 toughness. In the next damage step the 3/3 gets to do damage and hits the 2/2 for 3 damage and will then be destroyed due to lethal damage.
If I decide to block with a first strike creature, what happens?
*someone attacks me with a 2/2 non first strike, I decide to block with my 2/2 first strike. Attacker creature dies, but what about mine? I mean, is first strike applied when blocking as well?
edit: A creature won't deal damage in the combat damage step if it has been removed from the battlefield (when it leaves the field it stops being in combat), so your 2/2 1st strike will live cause there is nothing to hurt it anymore.
If your 2/2 1st strike did somehow block two 2/2 it would kill 1 and die to the other (the other would live), because the 2nd would still be alive to hit it in the 2nd combat damage step.
Thanks for your answers!
May I suggest the Dual of the Planeswalkers PC game as a way to learn quickly? Even the free demo teaches combat pretty well.
In the order above, you see that there is only one combat damage step. First strike resolution uses an additional combat damage and resolution step, making combat look like this:
In addition to this, a creature with double strike assigns and deals damage once during the First Strike Combat Damage sequence, and again during the ordinary Combat Damage sequence.
The progression of each step is as follows:
This page also has additional, more in-depth information: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Combat_phase
beginning of combat step
declare attackers step
declare blockers step
combat damage step
end of combat step
While you have the general ideas down, there are a few errors concerning in which steps some things occur:
Damage Assignment Order (not damage assignment) for multiple creatures blocking/blocked by a single creature is done in the Declare Blockers Step.
There is no Damage Resolution Step separate from the Damage Step. Damage is dealt in the Damage Step (and the extra Damage Step if any creatures had Firststike or Doublestrike).
The link you provided details all of this.
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