If I have Mimic Vat out and bring a token on the field, and said token gets copied (Due to, for example, Doubling Season, Spitting Image, what have you), does the copy of the token also gain both Haste and EOT: Exile?
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Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Doubling season modifies the event that initially created the token so will still have haste but your are going to have to exile the creature in your next end step.
Spitting image creates a copy of a creature already on the battlefield so it won't have haste but you will get to keep the token it creates past the end of the current turn.
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@Kahedron: I've been under the impression that "it gains haste" in Mimic Vat is equivalent to "that token has haste" in Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, and that the haste ability is a copiable value of the token. Is that not right?
@Kahedron: I've been under the impression that "it gains haste" in Mimic Vat is equivalent to "that token has haste" in Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, and that the haste ability is a copiable value of the token. Is that not right?
I believe in the case of Mimic Vat, the token is granted haste. In the case of Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, the token itself has haste. The wording is slightly different.
In the case of the token, its granted haste the same way that another permanent would grant it haste (i.e. Racecourse Fury), the token itself doesn't actually have haste.
And intuitively I would have thought that, but then the following rule was quoted in this conversation about a different but similar topic, and its use of the word "gain" makes me think otherwise:
Quote from CR 706.9a »
Some copy effects cause the copy to gain an ability as part of the copying process. This
ability becomes part of the copiable values for the copy, along with any other abilities that were
copied.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Doubling season modifies the event that initially created the token so will still have haste but your are going to have to exile the creature in your next end step.
Spitting image creates a copy of a creature already on the battlefield so it won't have haste but you will get to keep the token it creates past the end of the current turn.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
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I believe in the case of Mimic Vat, the token is granted haste. In the case of Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, the token itself has haste. The wording is slightly different.
In the case of the token, its granted haste the same way that another permanent would grant it haste (i.e. Racecourse Fury), the token itself doesn't actually have haste.
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The actual ruling would need to come from someone much smarter than I, but I don't believe the haste is granted as part of the copy effect.