Planeswalkers - Targeting/Attacking

  • #1
    Okay so in my current Meta, a couple of the players have determined that Planewalkers are not as good as they thought for various reasons.

    I have a question regarding the targeting / attacking of them.

    Are they considered Players for purposes of spells? For instance, lets say Player A casts something akin to Earthquake, does the Earthquake do damage to both the Planeswalker AND the Player, or does the player casting Earthquake decide where the damage goes?

    Another question, Lets say Player B casts Lightning Bolt at Player A, Player A decides against countering or the such, can Player B then decide to deal the damage from the Lightning Bolt to the Planeswalker?

    I understand that Planewalkers can be attacked by creatures, my other question is can Player A declare his attack phase, and then if there are any unblocked creatures, decide to attack the Planeswalker, or simply redirect the damage to the Planeswalker?
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  • #2
    Planeswalkers are absolutely not considered players, in any capacity. A player is only ever a person that's playing the game.

    However, any time you're dealing non-combat damage to an opposing player, when the spell/ability causing the damage resolves, you can choose to have the damage dealt to one of that player's planeswalkers instead.

    So, with Earthquake, it will deal damage to the opposing player or one of his/her planeswalkers -- never both. Again, this isn't decided until Earthquake resolves.

    As described above, non-combat damage to an opponent can be redirected to one of their planeswalkers upon resolution of the spell/ability that's causing damage.

    Again, the redirection only applies to non-combat damage. In order to actually deal combat damage to a planeswalker, a player has to declare one or more creatures as attacking that planeswalker, rather than the opposing player. Here's the excerpt about this from the Comprehensive Rules:

    306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that
    opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead.
    This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering
    replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the
    redirection effect is applied.
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  • #3
    Okay so in my current Meta, a couple of the players have determined that Planewalkers are not as good as they thought for various reasons.

    I have a question regarding the targeting / attacking of them.

    Are they considered Players for purposes of spells? For instance, lets say Player A casts something akin to Earthquake, does the Earthquake do damage to both the Planeswalker AND the Player, or does the player casting Earthquake decide where the damage goes?


    Planeswalkers are not players. The only way they are similar is they can be attacked.

    If a player controls a source of non combat damage that would damage an opposing player they may chose to have deal damage to the player or a planeswalker they control.



    Another question, Lets say Player B casts Lightning Bolt at Player A, Player A decides against countering or the such, can Player B then decide to deal the damage from the Lightning Bolt to the Planeswalker?


    The choice of whether to redirect the damage is made when the spell/ability resolves not when it is cast.

    I understand that Planewalkers can be attacked by creatures, my other question is can Player A declare his attack phase, and then if there are any unblocked creatures, decide to attack the Planeswalker, or simply redirect the damage to the Planeswalker?


    You chose who is being attacked when the declaration of attackers is made and it is locked in for the duration of that combat phase.


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  • #4
    Wonderful, Thanks.

    We did not know that the damage upon spell resolve could be switched from player to Planeswalker, it is good to know.
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  • #5
    side note

    can u use a lightning bolt on a planeswalker
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  • #6
    Quote from GaulEMcOxbig
    side note

    can u use a lightning bolt on a planeswalker


    Yes but only if you are able to target the player that controls the planeswalker.

    AS posted above if you control a source of non combat damage that would deal damage to an opposing player on the resolution of the spell or ability you may have it deal damage to a planeswalker they control.


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  • #7
    This was literally just addressed. I'm staring right at the answer, and it's just a little bit above your post. I'll prove it:

    Fake-Edit: ...You're a man of infinitely more patience than me, Kahedron. Kudos for that. Smile
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