"You're still not allowed to ever look at the cards you draft, but luckily, Rise of the Eldrazi features cards with Braille mana costs. Good luck guessing what they do, though"
This got me wondering, is Braille embossing okay for magic cards? I'm not blind by any stretch of the imagination, but my boss is. He isn't a magic player but he is a poker player, and he does have Braille playing cards. I told him about the mana costs being embossed as a bit of interesting information, as he asks about magic and what I've been doing.
Between he and I we were trying to figure out how this would be useful information. Not knowing the name of the Card how do you tell between one card with a casting cost of GG and another? Why would they do this and not the name of the card.
Beyond that, he suggested putting Braille notes on the Face side of your card sleeves. How would doing so be treated? Is it considered marked cards? Would it slide if you could prove you were blind? Has this ever come up?
Beyond that, he suggested putting Braille notes on the Face side of your card sleeves. How would doing so be treated? Is it considered marked cards? Would it slide if you could prove you were blind? Has this ever come up?
There was short discussion about four years ago on DCIJudge-L about accomodating a blind player. One of the things mentioned was the use of a Braille encoding device to mark the cards, and whether or not that constituted marked cards. And it was noted that while the marks themselves may be present on the card, absent the blind player actually "manipulating" the cards and looking for those marks (e.g., repeated touching of the deck prior to drawing), then the player is unlikely to be aware of the markings on the cards in the deck. A sighted player is unlikely to be able to recognize the Braille encoding either. EDIT: To add further thoughts, it may even be possible that the Braille encoding is done such that it is only present on the face of the card, or maybe on the sleeve itself. In which case, the markings are unlikely to be seen on the backs of the cards at all. Making these even less likely to be Marked Cards.
As such, it's unlikely to meet the definition set in the MIPG (Section 4.8). Obviously, a judge needs to investigate such a situation to make certain, but the judge should probably be aware of what is going on from the very beginning of the tournament and at least be familiar with the player and circumstances of the accomodation before any real problems materialize. (Which makes for a good motto for judges: "Know your players.")
lol... except the user could play a plains and call it a black lotus, no?
how so? It would be the same thing as me taking a sharpie to a plains and calling it a black lotus. It doesn't disfigure the card so you can't see what it is.
The non-blind can play any card, and "tell" the blind player its whatever he wants it to be.
that was what i was trying to say.
The sighted player is very likely to have some serious explaining to do to a judge if this happens in a sanctioned event. Especially depending on the specific circumstances and reason for making such a statement. Making an incorrect statement about a detail of a current game action (which qualifies as Free Information at any REL), such as playing a land or casting a spell, is a violation of the player communication policy. Which leads to either Tournament Error--Player Communication Violation or Cheating--Fraud.
In a nonsanctioned game? That's some serious asshatery. I'd hope people would think better of the other player to not behave in such a fashion.
There was a local guy who played VS and was blind. All of his sleeves were braile marked so he didn't dammage the cards. Judges were aware of him, and fortunately most of the other players either never tried anything. it helped that most people respected him greatly as a player and watched his back for shady people.
There was a local guy who played VS and was blind. All of his sleeves were braile marked so he didn't dammage the cards. Judges were aware of him, and fortunately most of the other players either never tried anything. it helped that most people respected him greatly as a player and watched his back for shady people.
that would work, however, IF someone managed to cheat, and there were no spectators of the game, then i would think that it would be very hard for the blind guy to pick up something was wrong (that is unless it was a blatant obvious cheat). A minor one like tapping your lands for other colors would be hard to catch, espescially if its cases where which lands you leave untapped would make a difference, I would think.
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a blind player vs a sighted player would require, in an official type of play, an impartial viewer to make sure that neither player was taken advantage of. don't forget, a sneaky blind player could claim that, for example, the braille on his sleeve identified a card as one thing, whereas the card itself may be something different. when played, the blind player would see it as one card and the sighted player another. could be all sorts of difficult situations like that.
i think having an observer would really be necessary, unless it was just casual play with friends, who are unlikely to cheat against their blind friend. or so i would hope.
Having given Epeeguy's post to my boss he suggested the following would work, just if anyone is interested:
There are a few methods where a card can be made to be accessible.
First one can emboss directly on the card. This will cause the bumps to appear on one side, most likely the face of the card, creating slight indentations on the backs of the cards. These can easily be hidden in the patterns printed on the back of the card.
Second is using dymo label tape to adhere to the card. This will not put dimples on the back of the card, however it will make the card thicker then just embossing on the card itself. Now you have the raised dots as well as the added thickness of the dymo tape.
Third would be to emboss the sleeves. This would have the least amount of impact on the card. This should allow the card to retain its value.
Fourth would be using RFID dots. These are small thin stickers. One can use the PenFriend to record a verbal description for each dot. If the dots are present on the sleeves, then it would be possible to reuse the sleeves for the different cards as series change. It is possible to rerecord the messages for the dots when touched by the PenFriend.
"You're still not allowed to ever look at the cards you draft, but luckily, Rise of the Eldrazi features cards with Braille mana costs. Good luck guessing what they do, though"
This got me wondering, is Braille embossing okay for magic cards? I'm not blind by any stretch of the imagination, but my boss is. He isn't a magic player but he is a poker player, and he does have Braille playing cards. I told him about the mana costs being embossed as a bit of interesting information, as he asks about magic and what I've been doing.
Between he and I we were trying to figure out how this would be useful information. Not knowing the name of the Card how do you tell between one card with a casting cost of GG and another? Why would they do this and not the name of the card.
Beyond that, he suggested putting Braille notes on the Face side of your card sleeves. How would doing so be treated? Is it considered marked cards? Would it slide if you could prove you were blind? Has this ever come up?
There was short discussion about four years ago on DCIJudge-L about accomodating a blind player. One of the things mentioned was the use of a Braille encoding device to mark the cards, and whether or not that constituted marked cards. And it was noted that while the marks themselves may be present on the card, absent the blind player actually "manipulating" the cards and looking for those marks (e.g., repeated touching of the deck prior to drawing), then the player is unlikely to be aware of the markings on the cards in the deck. A sighted player is unlikely to be able to recognize the Braille encoding either. EDIT: To add further thoughts, it may even be possible that the Braille encoding is done such that it is only present on the face of the card, or maybe on the sleeve itself. In which case, the markings are unlikely to be seen on the backs of the cards at all. Making these even less likely to be Marked Cards.
As such, it's unlikely to meet the definition set in the MIPG (Section 4.8). Obviously, a judge needs to investigate such a situation to make certain, but the judge should probably be aware of what is going on from the very beginning of the tournament and at least be familiar with the player and circumstances of the accomodation before any real problems materialize. (Which makes for a good motto for judges: "Know your players.")
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how so? It would be the same thing as me taking a sharpie to a plains and calling it a black lotus. It doesn't disfigure the card so you can't see what it is.
The non-blind can play any card, and "tell" the blind player its whatever he wants it to be.
that was what i was trying to say.
Thank you Mr. Stuff for the awesome sig and avatar =)
The sighted player is very likely to have some serious explaining to do to a judge if this happens in a sanctioned event. Especially depending on the specific circumstances and reason for making such a statement. Making an incorrect statement about a detail of a current game action (which qualifies as Free Information at any REL), such as playing a land or casting a spell, is a violation of the player communication policy. Which leads to either Tournament Error--Player Communication Violation or Cheating--Fraud.
In a nonsanctioned game? That's some serious asshatery. I'd hope people would think better of the other player to not behave in such a fashion.
that would work, however, IF someone managed to cheat, and there were no spectators of the game, then i would think that it would be very hard for the blind guy to pick up something was wrong (that is unless it was a blatant obvious cheat). A minor one like tapping your lands for other colors would be hard to catch, espescially if its cases where which lands you leave untapped would make a difference, I would think.
Thank you Mr. Stuff for the awesome sig and avatar =)
i think having an observer would really be necessary, unless it was just casual play with friends, who are unlikely to cheat against their blind friend. or so i would hope.
There are a few methods where a card can be made to be accessible.
First one can emboss directly on the card. This will cause the bumps to appear on one side, most likely the face of the card, creating slight indentations on the backs of the cards. These can easily be hidden in the patterns printed on the back of the card.
Second is using dymo label tape to adhere to the card. This will not put dimples on the back of the card, however it will make the card thicker then just embossing on the card itself. Now you have the raised dots as well as the added thickness of the dymo tape.
Third would be to emboss the sleeves. This would have the least amount of impact on the card. This should allow the card to retain its value.
Fourth would be using RFID dots. These are small thin stickers. One can use the PenFriend to record a verbal description for each dot. If the dots are present on the sleeves, then it would be possible to reuse the sleeves for the different cards as series change. It is possible to rerecord the messages for the dots when touched by the PenFriend.
Thank you Mr. Stuff for the awesome sig and avatar =)
Are you very short? Because I think the joke went over your head.