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Hypergenesis
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From the way this card is worded, I understand that beginning with me, I get to put something into play.
Lets say I have 4 permanents in hand that can be put into play via Hypergenesis. My opponent has 1.
So it starts off like this:
I put A in.
Opponent puts B in.
I put C in.
Opponent stops.
I put D in.
etc.
What if lets say I have 3 permanents and he has 2?
I put A in.
He puts B in.
I put C in.
He declines to put D in.
I proceed to put E in.
At this point, can he still put D in?
What if I decide to stop after he declines to put D in. Does that mean the spell is over? Or he can still put D in?
Lastly, say for example,
I put Bogardan Hellkite in.
He puts Regal Force in.
I put Bogardan Hellkite 2 in.
He puts Regal Force 2 in.
How would the triggers stack?
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So it starts off like this:
I put A in.
Opponent puts B in.
I put C in.
Opponent stops.
I put D in.
etc.
Looks Good.
What if lets say I have 3 permanents and he has 2?
I put A in.
He puts B in.
I put C in.
He declines to put D in.
I proceed to put E in.
At this point, can he still put D in?
What if I decide to stop after he declines to put D in. Does that mean the spell is over? Or he can still put D in?
He can still put D in. If you don't put anything in after he doesn't put anything in the spell stops.
Lastly, say for example,
I put Bogardan Hellkite in.
He puts Regal Force in.
I put Bogardan Hellkite 2 in.
He puts Regal Force 2 in.
How would the triggers stack?
The triggers go on the stack when the creatures come into play, but don't begin to resolve until hypergenesis is finished resolving.
So the stack would look like this:
Hellkite 1 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 2 trigger
So they'd resolve in this order:
Regal Force 2 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 1 trigger
Yes, he can still put a permanent into play after deciding not to. Check out this ruling from magiccards.info:
9/25/2006: In a game of N players, the process ends when all N players in sequence (starting with you) choose not to put a card into play. It doesn't end the first time a player chooses not to put a card into play. If a player chooses not to put a card into play but the process continues, that player may put a card into play the next time the process gets around to him or her.
In terms of enters-the-battlefield triggers, those are put onto the stack in active player, non-active player order. So if it's your turn, you would put your hellkite triggers on the stack in whichever order you choose (it doesn't have to be the same order they came into play from hypergenesis), and then your opponent will put his regal force triggers on the stack in whatever order he chooses. The order is up to you guys because all the triggers have to wait until the spell is finished resolving before going on the stack, and when a player controls multiple triggers waiting to go on the stack, their controllers choose their order.
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What if lets say I have 3 permanents and he has 2?
I put A in.
He puts B in.
I put C in.
He declines to put D in.
I proceed to put E in.
At this point, can he still put D in?
Yes. The process only stops if all players decline in succession. Declining to put a permanent into play does not "shut out" that player from the rest of the process.
What if I decide to stop after he declines to put D in. Does that mean the spell is over? Or he can still put D in?
Yes, if both players pass in succession the spell finishes resolving.
Lastly, say for example,
I put Bogardan Hellkite in.
He puts Regal Force in.
I put Bogardan Hellkite 2 in.
He puts Regal Force 2 in.
How would the triggers stack?
Your Hellkite triggers would go on the stack in an order of your choosing, then his triggers would go on the stack in an order of his choosing. (All of this is assuming you played the Hypergenesis during your turn.)
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A and B will be put on the stack after Hypergenesis resolves.
Then C and D will be put on the stack?
That means
C and D resolves first.
Then A and B resolves?
Can someone confirm this?
Or is it as Mannequ1n said?
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So the stack would look like this:
Hellkite 1 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 2 trigger
So they'd resolve in this order:
Regal Force 2 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 1 trigger
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Thx.
Can anyone second that? Then I have no more queries.
So in the case of the Hellkite/Regal situation.
Assuming opponent only had 2 green permanents, that means he will get to draw two from each trigger first, before my Hellkites shoot them?
Also, this is only applicable if its on my turn right? If it was played during his turn, Regal will stack first and resolve last right?
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The process only stops if all players decline in succession.
These are the statements that are not entirely correct in this thread. The correct rulings are:
1) The Hypergenesis effect stops when nobody puts a card into play in a single round that starts with you. The only time you check to see if "all players pass in succession" is at the end of a round, just before you (Hypergenesis's controller) would start a new round.
2) All triggers wait until the effect ends, before going on the stack. The order they came into play does not affect their order on the stack. The only requirement for the order is that the active player's triggers go on te stack first, and so resolve last.
These are the statements that are not entirely correct in this thread. The correct rulings are:
1) The Hypergenesis effect stops when nobody puts a card into play in a single round that starts with you. The only time you check to see if "all players pass in succession" is at the end of a round, just before you (Hypergenesis's controller) would start a new round.
2) All triggers wait until the effect ends, before going on the stack. The order they came into play does not affect their order on the stack. The only requirement for the order is that the active player's triggers go on te stack first, and so resolve last.
So anyone can second this?
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Condor is one of the few officially recognized Rules Gurus on this forum. He is never wrong, and I mean "never" quite literally.
Consider his statements seconded.
Look up and you will see two conflicting statements made by the two Rules Gurus which you so honour over...
Im just looking for another Rules person to second Condor or to argue in favour of Binary so as to give me a complete answer.
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9/25/2006: In a game of N players, the process ends when all N players in sequence (starting with you) choose not to put a card into play. It doesn't end the first time a player chooses not to put a card into play. If a player chooses not to put a card into play but the process continues, that player may put a card into play the next time the process gets around to him or her.
Hypergenesis
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From the way this card is worded, I understand that beginning with me, I get to put something into play.
Lets say I have 4 permanents in hand that can be put into play via Hypergenesis. My opponent has 1.
So it starts off like this:
I put A in.
Opponent puts B in.
I put C in.
Opponent stops.
I put D in.
etc.
What if lets say I have 3 permanents and he has 2?
I put A in.
He puts B in.
I put C in.
He declines to put D in.
I proceed to put E in.
At this point, can he still put D in?
What if I decide to stop after he declines to put D in. Does that mean the spell is over? Or he can still put D in?
Lastly, say for example,
I put Bogardan Hellkite in.
He puts Regal Force in.
I put Bogardan Hellkite 2 in.
He puts Regal Force 2 in.
How would the triggers stack?
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He can still put D in. If you don't put anything in after he doesn't put anything in the spell stops.
The triggers go on the stack when the creatures come into play, but don't begin to resolve until hypergenesis is finished resolving.
So the stack would look like this:
Hellkite 1 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 2 trigger
So they'd resolve in this order:
Regal Force 2 trigger
Hellkite 2 trigger
Regal Force 1 trigger
Hellkite 1 trigger
In terms of enters-the-battlefield triggers, those are put onto the stack in active player, non-active player order. So if it's your turn, you would put your hellkite triggers on the stack in whichever order you choose (it doesn't have to be the same order they came into play from hypergenesis), and then your opponent will put his regal force triggers on the stack in whatever order he chooses. The order is up to you guys because all the triggers have to wait until the spell is finished resolving before going on the stack, and when a player controls multiple triggers waiting to go on the stack, their controllers choose their order.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Yes. The process only stops if all players decline in succession. Declining to put a permanent into play does not "shut out" that player from the rest of the process.
Yes, if both players pass in succession the spell finishes resolving.
Your Hellkite triggers would go on the stack in an order of your choosing, then his triggers would go on the stack in an order of his choosing. (All of this is assuming you played the Hypergenesis during your turn.)
This is incorrect. They wait until the spell is finished resolving before they are put on the stack.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
And the opponent has 2 triggers C and D.
A and B will be put on the stack after Hypergenesis resolves.
Then C and D will be put on the stack?
That means
C and D resolves first.
Then A and B resolves?
Can someone confirm this?
Or is it as Mannequ1n said?
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You have it right, Mannequ1n had it wrong.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Can anyone second that? Then I have no more queries.
So in the case of the Hellkite/Regal situation.
Assuming opponent only had 2 green permanents, that means he will get to draw two from each trigger first, before my Hellkites shoot them?
Also, this is only applicable if its on my turn right? If it was played during his turn, Regal will stack first and resolve last right?
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These are the statements that are not entirely correct in this thread. The correct rulings are:
1) The Hypergenesis effect stops when nobody puts a card into play in a single round that starts with you. The only time you check to see if "all players pass in succession" is at the end of a round, just before you (Hypergenesis's controller) would start a new round.
2) All triggers wait until the effect ends, before going on the stack. The order they came into play does not affect their order on the stack. The only requirement for the order is that the active player's triggers go on te stack first, and so resolve last.
So anyone can second this?
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Condor is one of the few officially recognized Rules Gurus on this forum. He is never wrong, and I mean "never" quite literally.
Consider his statements seconded.
Please use card tags when you're asking a question about specific cards: [c]Serra Angel[/c] -> Serra Angel.
Look up and you will see two conflicting statements made by the two Rules Gurus which you so honour over...
Im just looking for another Rules person to second Condor or to argue in favour of Binary so as to give me a complete answer.
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Condor has the correct ruling.
I think it's time to lock this thread to keep it from dragging on any longer. Please make a new thread if you have any further rules questions.