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I'm updating one of my old Elemental themed decks. You might remember the whole Flamekin Harbinger/Nova Chaser synergy from back in the Lorwyn days. I built a deck around this just days after Lorwyn's release and evolved it over the years (It's been Red/Blue since Supreme Exemplar) but there is one thing I never thought about and I'm not sure exactly what would happen.
If I use Incandescent Soulstoke to place Supreme Exemplar on the field championing whatever, and then make a copy of it and champion the first one what happens to the first one? Incandescent Soulstoke requires me to sacrifice it, but It can't be because it's been removed from the game. And the text for the Soulstoke reads "at end of turn". If I unsummon the copy or it is destroyed, the original comes back into play without Incandescent Soulstoke's assistance. Does the original now stay in play free of having to be sacrificed?
There's only a small handful of circumstances where I would actually toss a copy like that but it could happen.
The first Exemplar will be exiled by the copy-Exemplar, and the thing exiled by the first Exemplar will return to the battlefield. The delayed triggered ability from Soulstoke can't make you sacrifice the first Exemplar, because it's not even a permanent on the battlefield anymore.
If that first Exemplar eventually returns to the battlefield, it's a new object with no memory of or relation to its previous existence. It won't need to be sacrificed, because it has no knowledge of Soulstoke (or vice versa).
The first Exemplar will be exiled by the copy-Exemplar, and the thing exiled by the first Exemplar will return to the battlefield. The delayed triggered ability from Soulstoke can't make you sacrifice the first Exemplar, because it's not even a permanent on the battlefield anymore.
If that first Exemplar eventually returns to the battlefield, it's a new object with no memory of or relation to its previous existence. It won't need to be sacrificed, because it has no knowledge of Soulstoke (or vice versa).
Excellent, thank you Villawhatever.
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I'm updating one of my old Elemental themed decks. You might remember the whole Flamekin Harbinger/Nova Chaser synergy from back in the Lorwyn days. I built a deck around this just days after Lorwyn's release and evolved it over the years (It's been Red/Blue since Supreme Exemplar) but there is one thing I never thought about and I'm not sure exactly what would happen.
If I use Incandescent Soulstoke to place Supreme Exemplar on the field championing whatever, and then make a copy of it and champion the first one what happens to the first one? Incandescent Soulstoke requires me to sacrifice it, but It can't be because it's been removed from the game. And the text for the Soulstoke reads "at end of turn". If I unsummon the copy or it is destroyed, the original comes back into play without Incandescent Soulstoke's assistance. Does the original now stay in play free of having to be sacrificed?
There's only a small handful of circumstances where I would actually toss a copy like that but it could happen.
If that first Exemplar eventually returns to the battlefield, it's a new object with no memory of or relation to its previous existence. It won't need to be sacrificed, because it has no knowledge of Soulstoke (or vice versa).
Excellent, thank you Villawhatever.