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No. The highest possible number of targets you can choose with the Eruption is 4. That's because you are dividing something (damage) and the rules demand, that everything that's getting something distributed to it has to get at least 1 of it.
Also, if 0 damage would be dealt, that means no damage would be dealt, and Torbran doesn't apply. You need at least 1 damage hitting already in order to apply Torbran.
As you cast Violent Eruption, you can divide the 4 damage it would deal among up to four targets, but not more than four; each such target must be assigned at least 1 damage this way (C.R. 601.2d, 107.1c). Also, the damage Violent Eruption would deal to each "opponent or ... permanent an opponent controls" is increased by 2 while you control Torbran and Violent Eruption and that spell is red (C.R. 101.4, 109.5, 700.1; see also this thread and this thread).
Ok, I was thinking in terms of some planes Walker abilities that let you determine the value "up to" something which can include 0 and similar value determinations like mana cost reductions with spells with x values.
Ok, I was thinking in terms of some planes Walker abilities that let you determine the value "up to" something which can include 0 and similar value determinations like mana cost reductions with spells with x values.
In general, "up to N" means any positive integer or zero which is N or less (C.R. 107.1b; see also C.R. 107.1c). With the Core Set 2020 rule update, if something has a player divide or distribute something among "any number" of objects and/or players of a particular kind, that player can now choose 0 for the "any number" regardless of whether it's possible to divide or distribute that something among one or more of those objects and/or players (compare C.R. 107.1c and 608.2d in Modern Horizons with those rules in Core Set 2020; see also this thread and this thread).
"Up to X" and "any number" include zero as a viable choice, yes. "Any number" is limited upwards only by the number of legal choices available. However, as I mentioned, if you are distributing something, the amount of that something puts additional limits on you, most notably the minimum then is 1.
Ok, I was thinking in terms of some planes Walker abilities that let you determine the value "up to" something which can include 0 and similar value determinations like mana cost reductions with spells with x values.
In general, "up to N" means any number N or less. With the recent change to the rules, if something has a player divide or distribute something among "any number" of objects and/or players of a particular kind, that player can now choose 0 regardless of whether it's possible to divide or distribute that something among one or more of those objects and/or players.
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Violent Eruption
No. The highest possible number of targets you can choose with the Eruption is 4. That's because you are dividing something (damage) and the rules demand, that everything that's getting something distributed to it has to get at least 1 of it.
Also, if 0 damage would be dealt, that means no damage would be dealt, and Torbran doesn't apply. You need at least 1 damage hitting already in order to apply Torbran.
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most notably the minimum then is 1.Former Rules Advisor
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Didn't know that, will look it up. Thanks.
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