When Mirror Image copies a creature as it enters the battlefield, why does the ETB of the copied creature (random creature Mesmerizing Benthid for example) also trigger? Wouldn't it be too late for the other ETB to trigger since Mirror Image's ETB already happened?
Mirror Image and most Clones have replacement effects that make them copies, not triggered abilities. You make the choice of what to copy technically BEFORE the creature is on the battlefield; the replacement effect never doesn't apply while it's on the battlefield.
Mirror Image and most Clones have replacement effects that make them copies, not triggered abilities. You make the choice of what to copy technically BEFORE the creature is on the battlefield; the replacement effect never doesn't apply while it's on the battlefield.
So... wouldn't replacement effect replace the copied creature's own ETB?
I'm sorry. I know that it works like this. Which is why you can't play Vesuva to copy Dark Depths to avoid the counters. I'm just having trouble understanding why there's a second ETB that happens. It's like being 5 years old and knowing they 2+2=4 and having to accept that the correct answer. Yeah, I spent a lot of recesses in detention.
So Mirror Image is a replacement effect and Benthid is... triggered?
So... wouldn't replacement effect replace the copied creature's own ETB?
I'm sorry. I know that it works like this. Which is why you can't play Vesuva to copy Dark Depths to avoid the counters. I'm just having trouble understanding why there's a second ETB that happens.
It enters as a copy of the other creature; it does not enter and then become a copy. If you choose to copy Mesmerizing Benthid, a copy of Mesmerizing Benthid enters the battlefield - at no time is a creature named "Mirror Image" on the battlefield. You simply go from having one Benthid to having two Benthids. This copy effect is not an ETB, so there is no "second" ETB. The new Benthid enters, and its ability triggers.
Rule 706.5: An object that enters the battlefield “as a copy” or “that’s a copy” of another object becomes a copy as it enters the battlefield. It doesn’t enter the battlefield, and then become a copy of that permanent. If the text that’s being copied includes any abilities that replace the enters-the-battlefield event (such as “enters the battlefield with” or “as [this] enters the battlefield” abilities), those abilities will take effect. Also, any enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities of the copy will have a chance to trigger.
Just trying to get my head on the timing here.
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So... wouldn't replacement effect replace the copied creature's own ETB?
I'm sorry. I know that it works like this. Which is why you can't play Vesuva to copy Dark Depths to avoid the counters. I'm just having trouble understanding why there's a second ETB that happens. It's like being 5 years old and knowing they 2+2=4 and having to accept that the correct answer. Yeah, I spent a lot of recesses in detention.
So Mirror Image is a replacement effect and Benthid is... triggered?
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I always thought there was two ETB's going off and couldn't figure out why.
Alright then. That makes my life a little bit easier.
Many thanks for having patience wth me.
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