The only time an activated ability that produces mana isn't a "mana ability" is when it has a target or is a Loyalty ability. Mana Abilities don't use the stack.
The only time an ability that produces mana isn't a "mana ability" is when it has a target. Mana Abilities don't use the stack.
Close, but not the whole story. Being a loyalty ability of a planeswalker that adds mana also prevents an activated ability from being a mana ability, and triggered abilities that add mana can only be mana abilities when they trigger due to another mana ability (Utopia Sprawl is an example of this, but Cathodion's triggered ability is not a mana ability).
605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves, and it’s not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, “Loyalty Abilities.”)
605.1b A triggered ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it triggers from the resolution of an activated mana ability (see rule 106.11a) or from mana being added to a player’s mana pool, and it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves.
The only time an ability that produces mana isn't a "mana ability" is when it has a target. Mana Abilities don't use the stack.
Close, but not the whole story. Being a loyalty ability of a planeswalker that adds mana also prevents an activated ability from being a mana ability, and triggered abilities that add mana can only be mana abilities when they trigger due to another mana ability (Utopia Sprawl is an example of this, but Cathodion's triggered ability is not a mana ability).
605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves, and it’s not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, “Loyalty Abilities.”)
605.1b A triggered ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it triggers from the resolution of an activated mana ability (see rule 106.11a) or from mana being added to a player’s mana pool, and it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves.
Yep, my bad. I forgot about the planeswalker thing and to distinguish between activated and triggered. Edited my post for the errors.
Yep. Also, paying a cost (e.g., sacrificing an artifact or creature) never uses the stack, so if you're using it just as a sac outlet (say, part of a combo featuring Murderous Redcap and Solemnity), you can use any free sac outlet.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
Moved to Rulings and added card tags - Wildfire393
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
Close, but not the whole story. Being a loyalty ability of a planeswalker that adds mana also prevents an activated ability from being a mana ability, and triggered abilities that add mana can only be mana abilities when they trigger due to another mana ability (Utopia Sprawl is an example of this, but Cathodion's triggered ability is not a mana ability).
605.1a An activated ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves, and it’s not a loyalty ability. (See rule 606, “Loyalty Abilities.”)
605.1b A triggered ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 114.6), it triggers from the resolution of an activated mana ability (see rule 106.11a) or from mana being added to a player’s mana pool, and it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves.
Yep, my bad. I forgot about the planeswalker thing and to distinguish between activated and triggered. Edited my post for the errors.
WBG Karador, Ghost Chieftain
B Toshiro Umezawa
BG Pharika, God of Affliction - Necromancy and Politics
WWW The Church of Heliod
WBR Zurgo, Helmsmasher
RG Wort, the Raidmother
UBR Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade
On phasing: