arcbound ravager and suncleanser does arcbound lose its counters before going into the graveyard? what about hangarback walker, does its counters get removed or does it die and it creates thopters?
The reason those creatures die is due to toughness being reduced to 0 as a cause of the counters being removed so Hangarback Walker won't dish out thopters and Arcbound Ravager won't distribute any counters because there wouldn't be any counters on them upon death.
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With Arcbound Ravager you can sac it to its own ability at instant speed to put the counters on another creature in response to the target.