After prerelease last weekend, i've been brewing for GRN standard like crazy. One interaction doesn't really seem to click with me. I'm hoping that someone can explain this to me.
According to the rules on gatherer, you can't get back Devious Cover-Up with it's own ability.
5-10-2018 Devious Cover-Up can’t target itself at all. You can’t try to counter it with itself and shuffle cards in, and you can’t use its effect to shuffle itself into your library.
5-10-2018 You may target zero cards in your graveyard and still shuffle your library.
5-10-2018 A spell that can’t be countered is a legal target for Devious Cover-Up. The spell won’t be countered when Devious Cover-Up resolves, but you’ll still shuffle cards into your library.
So why is this?
The main reason i ask is because a Tarmogoyf with two non-instant cardtypes in the yard can not be killed by Lightning Bolt. At resolution, the Tarmogoyf will see the instant as a 3rd cardtype thus giving it 4 toughness.
This to me leads to believe that upon resolution of Devious Cover-Up, The card should be in the yard, and thus can be shuffeled back.
What am i missing here?
What you're missing is that when you cast Devious Cover-Up, there are two things to target. The spell you want to counter. And 0-4 cards in your graveyard. You have to declare these targets on cast. And at that point DCU is on the stack.
When it goes to resolve, it will counter the targeted spell, send it to exile, let you shuffle the 0-4 targeted cards into your library, and ONLY THEN will it go to the grave, fully resolved.
What you're missing is that when you cast Devious Cover-Up, there are two things to target. The spell you want to counter. And 0-4 cards in your graveyard. You have to declare these targets on cast. And at that point DCU is on the stack.
When it goes to resolve, it will counter the targeted spell, send it to exile, let you shuffle the 0-4 targeted cards into your library, and ONLY THEN will it go to the grave, fully resolved.
I feel pretty stupid for not reading the 2nd "target" clause.
Thanks for pointing this out.
and you can’t use its effect to shuffle itself into your library
So why is this?
What am i missing here?
There's another thing you're missing: even if DCU said 'Shuffle your graveyard into your library', DCU itself would NOT be shuffled.
Since shuffling is part of the spell's effect, said shuffling happens BEFORE the spell goes from the stack to the graveyard:
608. Resolving Spells and Abilities
608.2k As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell’s resolution, the spell is put into its owner’s graveyard. (…)
Further, the reason Goyf doesn’t die to a Bolt in that situation is because state based actions would be checked after the Bolt resolves, at which point it’s in the graveyard, giving Goyf 4 toughness and 3 damage marked.
and you can’t use its effect to shuffle itself into your library
So why is this?
What am i missing here?
There's another thing you're missing: even if DCU said 'Shuffle your graveyard into your library', DCU itself would NOT be shuffled.
Since shuffling is part of the spell's effect, said shuffling happens BEFORE the spell goes from the stack to the graveyard:
608. Resolving Spells and Abilities
608.2k As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell’s resolution, the spell is put into its owner’s graveyard. (…)
Further, the reason Goyf doesn’t die to a Bolt in that situation is because state based actions would be checked after the Bolt resolves, at which point it’s in the graveyard, giving Goyf 4 toughness and 3 damage marked.
Wow, I just love educational posts like these. Great stuff guys. Thanks
According to the rules on gatherer, you can't get back Devious Cover-Up with it's own ability.
So why is this?
The main reason i ask is because a Tarmogoyf with two non-instant cardtypes in the yard can not be killed by Lightning Bolt. At resolution, the Tarmogoyf will see the instant as a 3rd cardtype thus giving it 4 toughness.
This to me leads to believe that upon resolution of Devious Cover-Up, The card should be in the yard, and thus can be shuffeled back.
What am i missing here?
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When it goes to resolve, it will counter the targeted spell, send it to exile, let you shuffle the 0-4 targeted cards into your library, and ONLY THEN will it go to the grave, fully resolved.
I feel pretty stupid for not reading the 2nd "target" clause.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Solved.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW
Since shuffling is part of the spell's effect, said shuffling happens BEFORE the spell goes from the stack to the graveyard:
608.2k As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell’s resolution, the spell is put into its owner’s graveyard. (…)
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