Okay so i was playing a game tonight and had a Deep-sea Kraken, when a suspended creature resolves, it has haste. It doe snot say it gains haste or haste until end of turn, "IT HAS HASTE"
If i clone this kraken, would the clone also have haste? (While the outcome of the game did not matter, i was winning regardless. The argument of a clone having haste (Or in this case it was stunt double) was debated. I just want to know if I was correct in that the clone would have haste since the creature has haste, or is the fact that it was coming off suspend the reason it has haste? Regardless of the timing, i feel that if the creature i clone has haste, (Regardless of how it was obtained) my clone will have haste.
If I am correct (In which the clone would have haste) My next question fall with incarnations.
If I clone a creature that has haste due to Anger in my opponent's grave, would my creature still have haste. i copied a creature while it had haste.
The relevant part of suspend says "If you cast a creature spell this way, it gains haste until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes" (C.R. 702.61a), so not necessarily indefinitely (C.R. 611.2a). However, if Deep-Sea Kraken has haste either this way or due to Anger, a creature that becomes a copy of Deep-Sea Kraken won't thereby acquire haste. That's because in general, effects that give a permanent an ability, as suspend and Anger do, are not copied by copy effects such as Clone's and Stunt Double's (C.R. 706.2).
You can look at Clone’s card specific Q&A, but rule 706.2 defines what copiable values are. For the most part, it’s what’s printed on the card. The italicized text for Suspend is reminder text, and so doesn’t matter for the purposes of Clone. Clone was not himself suspended, and so doesn’t have haste, and would not have haste from an opponent’s Angered creature.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object (…). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (...). Other effects (…) are not copied.
Haste was granted by the effect of Suspend and is therefore not copied.
If i clone this kraken, would the clone also have haste? (While the outcome of the game did not matter, i was winning regardless. The argument of a clone having haste (Or in this case it was stunt double) was debated. I just want to know if I was correct in that the clone would have haste since the creature has haste, or is the fact that it was coming off suspend the reason it has haste? Regardless of the timing, i feel that if the creature i clone has haste, (Regardless of how it was obtained) my clone will have haste.
If I am correct (In which the clone would have haste) My next question fall with incarnations.
If I clone a creature that has haste due to Anger in my opponent's grave, would my creature still have haste. i copied a creature while it had haste.
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You can look at Clone’s card specific Q&A, but rule 706.2 defines what copiable values are. For the most part, it’s what’s printed on the card. The italicized text for Suspend is reminder text, and so doesn’t matter for the purposes of Clone. Clone was not himself suspended, and so doesn’t have haste, and would not have haste from an opponent’s Angered creature.
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