So if you enchant Myth Realized with Angelic Destiny after it was recently turned into a creature, what happens to Angelic Destiny at the end of the turn when it becomes an enchantment again? Same with anything that can be turned into a creature until end of turn such as Mishra's Factory / Mutavault and/or any vehicle. Since the creature didn't die does Angelic Destiny go to the graveyard or back to your hand? My guess is graveyard. Is that correct?
In general, if a permanent that's not normally a creature becomes a creature "until end of turn", and then any Aura with "enchant creature" (such as Angelic Destiny) becomes attached to it before that effect ends, and then the effect ends, the Aura will go to the graveyard during the cleanup step for being attached to an illegal permanent (C.R. 704.5m, 702.5a, 514.2) (then the active player gets priority, then another cleanup step will begin after the current one) (C.R. 514.3a).
Angelic Destiny will go to the GY and remain their. An aura can only enchant what is legal on its type line (Angelic Destiny is creatures Utopia Sprawl is land) and if whatever it is enchanting loses that quality the enchantment falls off as a state based action. Because Angelic Destiny will only trigger when the creature actually dies it will not trigger.
Pregunta en español:
Pregunta tonta tal vez la que haga pero soy nuevo usando las cartas de aura con esa habilidad de regresar; si quiero encantar una criatura y el oponente la destruye antes que se resuelva Angelic Destiny , dicho encantamiento se ira al cementerio es correcto, eso aplica tambien para spirit loop y glistening oil correcto?
Otra pregunta si una criatura encantada con Angelic Destiny es removida también se va al cementerio el encantamiento?
Translation to English:
Silly question maybe what I do but I am new using the aura cards with that ability to return; if I want to enchant a creature and the opponent destroys it before it resolves [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card], that enchantment will go to the cemetery is correct, that also applies to [card] spirit loop [/ card] and [card] glistening oil [/ card] correct?
Another question if a creature enchanted with [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card] is removed also goes to the graveyard the enchantment?
Pregunta en español:
Pregunta tonta tal vez la que haga pero soy nuevo usando las cartas de aura con esa habilidad de regresar; si quiero encantar una criatura y el oponente la destruye antes que se resuelva Angelic Destiny , dicho encantamiento se ira al cementerio es correcto, eso aplica tambien para spirit loop y glistening oil correcto?
Otra pregunta si una criatura encantada con Angelic Destiny es removida también se va al cementerio el encantamiento?
Translation to English:
Silly question maybe what I do but I am new using the aura cards with that ability to return; if I want to enchant a creature and the opponent destroys it before it resolves [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card], that enchantment will go to the cemetery is correct, that also applies to [card] spirit loop [/ card] and [card] glistening oil [/ card] correct?
Another question if a creature enchanted with [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card] is removed also goes to the graveyard the enchantment?
Every Aura spell has a target (for example, a "creature" in the case of Angelic Destiny and Glistening Oil, and a "creature you control" in the case of Spirit Loop) (C.R. 114.1b). If that target is illegal in any way (for example, because it was destroyed), that Aura spell will fail to resolve and will go to the graveyard (C.R. 608.2b). Also, if an Aura isn't attached to anything (isn't enchanting anything), that Aura will go to the graveyard as a state-based action (C.R. 704.5m).
Pregunta en español:
correcto entonces si la criatura que iba a encantar es ilegal (muere, o es protegida por alguna habilidad)no entra al juego y se va al cementerio, por tanto ya no regresaría a la mano es lo que entiendo?. Pero en el caso concreto del Angelic destiny ese encantamiento si iria al cementerio sin dispararse la habilidad de regresar a la mano porque especifica que la criatura encantada muera es correcto?
translation to English:
correct then if the creature you were going to love is illegal (dies, or is protected by some skill) does not enter the game and goes to the cemetery, so it would not return to the hand is what I understand ?. But in the specific case of [card] Angelic destiny [/ card] that enchantment would go to the cemetery without triggering the ability to return to the hand because it specifies that the enchanted creature die is correct?
Pregunta en español:
correcto entonces si la criatura que iba a encantar es ilegal (muere, o es protegida por alguna habilidad)no entra al juego y se va al cementerio, por tanto ya no regresaría a la mano es lo que entiendo?. Pero en el caso concreto del Angelic destiny ese encantamiento si iria al cementerio sin dispararse la habilidad de regresar a la mano porque especifica que la criatura encantada muera es correcto?
translation to English:
correct then if the creature you were going to love is illegal (dies, or is protected by some skill) does not enter the game and goes to the cemetery, so it would not return to the hand is what I understand ?. But in the specific case of [card] Angelic destiny [/ card] that enchantment would go to the cemetery without triggering the ability to return to the hand because it specifies that the enchanted creature die is correct?
In general, in the case of Angelic Destiny, if the enchanted creature dies while Angelic Destiny is attached to it, then Angelic Destiny's last ability will trigger (C.R. 603.2), then Angelic Destiny will go to the graveyard soon after (C.R. 116.5, 704.5m), then the triggered ability will go on the stack (C.R. 603.3), and when that ability resolves Angelic Destiny goes from the graveyard to its owner's hand (C.R. 400.7e).
Note that this is different than if Angelic Destiny goes to the graveyard while it's still a spell (for example, because its target is illegal). In this case, Angelic Destiny was never attached to anything (was never enchanting anything), so its last ability won't trigger.
Pregunta en español:
Ha pero la carta del Angelic destiny dice "When enchanted creature dies, return Angelic Destiny to its owner's hand." en cambio la de spirit loot dice "When Spirit Loop is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Spirit Loop to its owner's hand." entiendo que son cosas muy diferentes o es lo mismo? porque una dice que la criatura muera la otra dice si el encantamiento va al cementerio, por eso mi duda y por eso la pregunta si el Angelic destiny esta encantando una criatura, pero esa criatura es removida significa que no se dispara la habilidad por que dice si la criatura encantada muera, no como en las otras auras tipo spirit loop que dicen si esta carta fuera al cementerio desde el juego.
translation to English:
Ha but the letter from [card] Angelic destiny [/ card] says "When enchanted creature dies, return [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card] to its owner's hand." instead the spirit loot says "When Spirit Loop is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return [card] Spirit Loop [/ card] to its owner's hand." I understand that they are very different things or is it the same? because one says that the creature dies the other says if the enchantment goes to the cemetery, that's why I doubt it and that's why it asks if the Angelic destiny is charming a creature, but that creature is removed means that the ability is not triggered because it says if the enchanted creature dies, not like the other auras [card] spirit loop [/ card] that say if this card went to the cemetery from the game.
Correct. If Spirit Loop is destroyed by say Naturalize, it goes to the graveyard and will trigger its ability to return, because that trigger only cares about the aura itself. If Angelic Destiny is destroyed by Naturalize, it goes to the graveyard, but since the creature it enchanted didn't die, the return ability doesn't trigger. That ability only triggers, if the creature dies while the aura is attached to it.
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Pregunta tonta tal vez la que haga pero soy nuevo usando las cartas de aura con esa habilidad de regresar; si quiero encantar una criatura y el oponente la destruye antes que se resuelva Angelic Destiny , dicho encantamiento se ira al cementerio es correcto, eso aplica tambien para spirit loop y glistening oil correcto?
Otra pregunta si una criatura encantada con Angelic Destiny es removida también se va al cementerio el encantamiento?
Translation to English:
Silly question maybe what I do but I am new using the aura cards with that ability to return; if I want to enchant a creature and the opponent destroys it before it resolves [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card], that enchantment will go to the cemetery is correct, that also applies to [card] spirit loop [/ card] and [card] glistening oil [/ card] correct?
Another question if a creature enchanted with [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card] is removed also goes to the graveyard the enchantment?
correcto entonces si la criatura que iba a encantar es ilegal (muere, o es protegida por alguna habilidad)no entra al juego y se va al cementerio, por tanto ya no regresaría a la mano es lo que entiendo?. Pero en el caso concreto del Angelic destiny ese encantamiento si iria al cementerio sin dispararse la habilidad de regresar a la mano porque especifica que la criatura encantada muera es correcto?
translation to English:
correct then if the creature you were going to love is illegal (dies, or is protected by some skill) does not enter the game and goes to the cemetery, so it would not return to the hand is what I understand ?. But in the specific case of [card] Angelic destiny [/ card] that enchantment would go to the cemetery without triggering the ability to return to the hand because it specifies that the enchanted creature die is correct?
Note that this is different than if Angelic Destiny goes to the graveyard while it's still a spell (for example, because its target is illegal). In this case, Angelic Destiny was never attached to anything (was never enchanting anything), so its last ability won't trigger.
Ha pero la carta del Angelic destiny dice "When enchanted creature dies, return Angelic Destiny to its owner's hand." en cambio la de spirit loot dice "When Spirit Loop is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return Spirit Loop to its owner's hand." entiendo que son cosas muy diferentes o es lo mismo? porque una dice que la criatura muera la otra dice si el encantamiento va al cementerio, por eso mi duda y por eso la pregunta si el Angelic destiny esta encantando una criatura, pero esa criatura es removida significa que no se dispara la habilidad por que dice si la criatura encantada muera, no como en las otras auras tipo spirit loop que dicen si esta carta fuera al cementerio desde el juego.
translation to English:
Ha but the letter from [card] Angelic destiny [/ card] says "When enchanted creature dies, return [card] Angelic Destiny [/ card] to its owner's hand." instead the spirit loot says "When Spirit Loop is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return [card] Spirit Loop [/ card] to its owner's hand." I understand that they are very different things or is it the same? because one says that the creature dies the other says if the enchantment goes to the cemetery, that's why I doubt it and that's why it asks if the Angelic destiny is charming a creature, but that creature is removed means that the ability is not triggered because it says if the enchanted creature dies, not like the other auras [card] spirit loop [/ card] that say if this card went to the cemetery from the game.
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