I have Jhoira of the Ghitu in play along with suspended Decree of Annihilation (or any other boardwipe, it does not matter) and suspended Kozilek, Butcher of Truth (or any other creature, it does not matter). Four turns later, their time counters are all gone and about to come out.
Can I stack the Decree ABOVE the Kozilek, let the Decree resolve first, clearing the battlefield and then on let Kozilek come into play?
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Note, that the two cards don't come out of suspend at the same time. Depending on how you stack the "remove a time counter" triggers, the assosiated card will be cast and resolved before you even get to remove the time counter from the other card. So you stack the Decree's time counter removing trigger above Kozilek's time counter removing trigger. Next you stack the Decree itself above Kozilek's time counter removing trigger. You resolve the Decree with Kozilek still sitting in exile with a time counter.
It's usually a very simple operation to say "I'll stack my triggers so Kozilek resolves after Decree" but if you're playing with fussy people, you might need to explain it in further detail. Each suspended card has two triggered abilities. The first is "At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from this card" and the second is "When the last counter is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost." So we are actually dealing with four separate triggers here. Some people might insist that you process everything step by step.
Step by step:
1) At the beginning of your upkeep, the first triggered ability of both suspended cards (remove a counter) trigger and you may put them on the stack in any order you like. Let's see what happens if you put the Decree trigger on first, then the Kozilek trigger on top.
So the abilities on the stack now looks like this
Top: Remove a time counter from Kozilek
Bottom: Remove a time counter from Decree of Annihilation.
2) If no player responds to those triggers, then the top item on the stack will resolve and remove the last time counter from Kozilek. This will cause his second ability to trigger.
The Stack now looks like this
Top: Cast Kozilek from exile without paying its mana cost.
Bottom: Remove a time counter from Decree of Annihilation.
3) If there's no responses,the top item on the stack will resolve and Kozilek will be cast and his enter the battlefield ability will trigger (Draw four cards).
The stack
Top: Draw four cards.
Bottom: Remove a time counter from Decree of Annihilation.
4) Assuming no response, you'll draw your four cards.
The Stack
Top: Remove a time counter from Decree of Annihilation.
5) If no player responds to those triggers, then the top item on the stack will resolve and remove the last time counter from Decree. This will cause its second ability to trigger.
The Stack
Top: Cast Decree without paying it's mana cost.
6) Assuming no response, Decree will resolve. Nuking everything including your shiny new Kozilek.
So to keep Kozilek, it's a simple matter to ensure in step 1 that you "CLEARLY ANNOUNCE" that you are putting Kozilek on the stack first and Decree of Annihilation on top of it.
Top: Remove a time counter from Decree of Annihilation
Bottom: Remove a time counter from Kozilek.
That way, Kozilek will be safely suspended with a time counter will everything else is annihilated.
Hope this helps
Thank you all especially to Oreth for breaking it down step by step. It is easy to wrap my head around this.
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I suspended a creature with Jhoira. Then I cast Jokulhaups. My opponent says since Jhoira dies, Jhoira brings the suspended creature down with her. I say that Jokulhaups leave the suspended creature alone because it is in exile. Who is right?
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I suspended a creature with Jhoira. Then I cast Jokulhaups. My opponent says since Jhoira dies, Jhoira brings the suspended creature down with her. I say that Jokulhaups leave the suspended creature alone because it is in exile. Who is right?
Cards do what they say they do. Nowhere in Jhoira's text does it say anything about the Suspended cards leaving Exile if she dies for some reason; The suspended creature will stay in Exile as a Suspended card and will work like any other Suspended card.
I suspended a creature with Jhoira. Then I cast Jokulhaups. My opponent says since Jhoira dies, Jhoira brings the suspended creature down with her. I say that Jokulhaups leave the suspended creature alone because it is in exile. Who is right?
Moderator note: This is no huge deal, but in the future, please create a new thread rather than posting in an existing thread if your question has no direct connection to the ones asked before other than including the same card.
You are correct. The suspended card is in the exile zone, and Jokulhaups only affects permanents. And there is no link between Jhoira and cards you suspended with her, suspend does its thing no matter what happens to her.
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So, I still get to remove counters from the suspended creature as normal?
The card in exile will still have suspend and be in exile. While that card is suspended (which includes having a time counter on it), its owner removes a time counter from it at the beginning of each of its owner's upkeeps (C.R. 702.61a-b). Note that that card isn't a "creature" even if it's a creature card; Jokulhaups affects only "artifacts", "creatures", and "lands", which refer only to permanents with those types on the battlefield, not to objects in any other zone, including in exile, with those types (C.R. 109.2).
The cards exiled by Jhoria's ability will still be suspended and time counters will be removed like normal, even if Jhoria leaves the battlefield.
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Can I stack the Decree ABOVE the Kozilek, let the Decree resolve first, clearing the battlefield and then on let Kozilek come into play?
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
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Thank you all especially to Oreth for breaking it down step by step. It is easy to wrap my head around this.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
You are correct. The suspended card is in the exile zone, and Jokulhaups only affects permanents. And there is no link between Jhoira and cards you suspended with her, suspend does its thing no matter what happens to her.
Salt is part of the game. Deal with it.
Scientists have calculated that the chance of anything so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.