Player B is to my left and player C is to his left.
Priority passes clockwise to player B. He is holding a counterspell. If he decides to not cast it. Does my birds of paradise resolve and then allowed to be placed on the battle field or does priority pass to player C who is also holding a counterspell and plays it in response to my birds of paradise?
Just unsure if B passes priority if C gets a turn to respond or if it resolves as soon as 1 player decides to pass priority.
Situation #2
Player A plays birds of paradise. Priority passes to player B who plays counterspell. Then priority passes to player C who plays counterspell. All players Pass priority and the stack resolves..
So in this scenario birds of paradise would resolve and get places on the battle field correct?
A spell or ability resolves only if all players pass in a row (C.R. 117.4), not necessarily if two of them do. And only the top spell or ability will resolve this way (C.R. 117.4). Therefore:
Situation 1: If player B passes, Birds of Paradise doesn't resolve yet; rather player C gets priority, since he or she is the next player in turn order (C.R. 117.3d).
Situation 2: Here, only the Counterspell player C cast will resolve, not everything on the stack (C.R. 117.4). As part of resolving, that Counterspell will go to the graveyard (C.R. 608.2k). After it resolves, the active player gets priority (C.R. 117.3b).
Note that this answer doesn't depend on whether the Commander variant is played; in any case, nothing in the rules for that variant (under C.R. 903) explicitly precludes applying those rules to two-player games (C.R. 903.2).
EDIT (Feb. 23): Add rule citation.
EDIT (Oct. 17): Edited;
EDIT (Jul. 31, 2019): Edited, including to conform to rule update with Core Set 2020.
A spell or ability resolves only if all players pass in a row (C.R. 116.4), not just two of them. And only the top spell or ability will resolve this way (C.R. 116.4). Therefore:
Situation 1: If player B passes, Birds of Paradise doesn't resolve yet; rather player C gets priority, since he or she is the next player in turn order.
Situation 2: Here, only the Counterspell player C cast will resolve, not everything on the stack (C.R. 116.4). As part of resolving, that Counterspell will go to the graveyard (C.R. 608.2k). After it resolves, the active player gets priority (C.R. 116.3b).
Note that this answer doesn't depend on whether the Commander variant is played; in any case, nothing in the rules for that variant (under C.R. 903) explicitly precludes applying those rules to two-player games (C.R. 903.2).
Thanks so much for the quick reply.. Makes sence to me
Have one other question. Dealing with combat phase.
So I know in multiplayer free for all if player A decides to attack player C that player B CANNOT use his creatures to block for player C.. But can player B play a instant like terminate on one of player A creatures to sort of help out player C?
So I know in multiplayer free for all if player A decides to attack player C that player B CANNOT use his creatures to block for player C.. But can player B play a instant like terminate on one of player A creatures to sort of help out player C?
Sure. The creature doesn't stop being a valid target for Terminate just because it is attacking player C.
Thanks so much for the quick reply.. Makes sence to me
Have one other question. Dealing with combat phase.
So I know in multiplayer free for all if player A decides to attack player C that player B CANNOT use his creatures to block for player C.. But can player B play a instant like terminate on one of player A creatures to sort of help out player C?
Is there a reason you would think otherwise?
Free-for-all by definition has no range of influence or team rules or anything of the sort. You're free to cast any spell on anything it can legally target, regardless of whether it'd also benefit one of your opponents in that moment.
Situation #2
Player A plays birds of paradise. Priority passes to player B who plays counterspell. Then priority passes to player C who plays counterspell. All players Pass priority and the stack resolves..
So in this scenario birds of paradise would resolve and get places on the battle field correct?
I'm not quite sure how situation #2 should be interpreted.
Player C played Counterspell... targeting what?
He/she could target Birds of Paradise, but he/she could also have chosen to target player B's Counterspell. Which is it?
Situation #2
Player A plays birds of paradise. Priority passes to player B who plays counterspell. Then priority passes to player C who plays counterspell. All players Pass priority and the stack resolves..
So in this scenario birds of paradise would resolve and get places on the battle field correct?
I'm not quite sure how situation #2 should be interpreted.
Player C played Counterspell... targeting what?
He/she could target Birds of Paradise, but he/she could also have chosen to target player B's Counterspell. Which is it?
Presumably the counter is being countered; casting a spell that would counter the BoP that was already under counter threat would have very little practical effect except making one counter fizzle.
Situation #2
Player A plays birds of paradise. Priority passes to player B who plays counterspell. Then priority passes to player C who plays counterspell. All players Pass priority and the stack resolves..
So in this scenario birds of paradise would resolve and get places on the battle field correct?
I'm not quite sure how situation #2 should be interpreted.
Player C played Counterspell... targeting what?
He/she could target Birds of Paradise, but he/she could also have chosen to target player B's Counterspell. Which is it?
So commander format is very political.. And you usually try to take down the strongest person first by ganging up on that person.
So in the scenario I described above.
Player B Is the strong player and Player A and C are working together.
But I'm guess it doesn't work that way?? But I thought it did as if in 1v1 magic if I play a spell and other player counters it I can counter his counter and the original spell still goes through. Right??
Id does work almost exactly as in 1 vs 1 games, except, that more players have to pass priority in succession for an object on the stack to resolve or the step/phase to end. So this
So since player B didn't want birds of paradise he counterspell it.. But since player C wants Player A to get as much board presence as he can to help take down Player B.. Player C
counterspell player B counterspell so that birds of paradise could resolve..
is perfectly fine to do and will lead to the intended result.
Situation #1
Let's say I'm player A and I cast a birds of paradise
Player B is to my left and player C is to his left.
Priority passes clockwise to player B. He is holding a counterspell. If he decides to not cast it. Does my birds of paradise resolve and then allowed to be placed on the battle field or does priority pass to player C who is also holding a counterspell and plays it in response to my birds of paradise?
Just unsure if B passes priority if C gets a turn to respond or if it resolves as soon as 1 player decides to pass priority.
Situation #2
Player A plays birds of paradise. Priority passes to player B who plays counterspell. Then priority passes to player C who plays counterspell. All players Pass priority and the stack resolves..
So in this scenario birds of paradise would resolve and get places on the battle field correct?
Thanks for your help
Situation 1: If player B passes, Birds of Paradise doesn't resolve yet; rather player C gets priority, since he or she is the next player in turn order (C.R. 117.3d).
Situation 2: Here, only the Counterspell player C cast will resolve, not everything on the stack (C.R. 117.4). As part of resolving, that Counterspell will go to the graveyard (C.R. 608.2k). After it resolves, the active player gets priority (C.R. 117.3b).
Note that this answer doesn't depend on whether the Commander variant is played; in any case, nothing in the rules for that variant (under C.R. 903) explicitly precludes applying those rules to two-player games (C.R. 903.2).
EDIT (Feb. 23): Add rule citation.
EDIT (Oct. 17): Edited;
EDIT (Jul. 31, 2019): Edited, including to conform to rule update with Core Set 2020.
Thanks so much for the quick reply.. Makes sence to me
Have one other question. Dealing with combat phase.
So I know in multiplayer free for all if player A decides to attack player C that player B CANNOT use his creatures to block for player C.. But can player B play a instant like terminate on one of player A creatures to sort of help out player C?
Sure. The creature doesn't stop being a valid target for Terminate just because it is attacking player C.
Is there a reason you would think otherwise?
Free-for-all by definition has no range of influence or team rules or anything of the sort. You're free to cast any spell on anything it can legally target, regardless of whether it'd also benefit one of your opponents in that moment.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
Player C played Counterspell... targeting what?
He/she could target Birds of Paradise, but he/she could also have chosen to target player B's Counterspell. Which is it?
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Presumably the counter is being countered; casting a spell that would counter the BoP that was already under counter threat would have very little practical effect except making one counter fizzle.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
So commander format is very political.. And you usually try to take down the strongest person first by ganging up on that person.
So in the scenario I described above.
Player B Is the strong player and Player A and C are working together.
So since player B didn't want birds of paradise he counterspell it.. But since player C wants Player A to get as much board presence as he can to help take down Player B.. Player C
counterspell player B counterspell so that birds of paradise could resolve..
But I'm guess it doesn't work that way?? But I thought it did as if in 1v1 magic if I play a spell and other player counters it I can counter his counter and the original spell still goes through. Right??
Sorry if I'm misktaken
is perfectly fine to do and will lead to the intended result.
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