Hi, for example I have a Chandra, the Firebrand in play. Then use her -2 ability. I then cast Stone Rain. Can the opponent remove Chandra with a lightning bolt in response to Stone Rain, so that Stone Rain is not copied by Chandra -2?
Well, he can, but that won't accomplish much, it certainly won't stop the Stone Rain copy from being created and blowing up another land. Because as soon as you activate Chandra's -2, that ability exists independently on the stack and will resolve no matter what happens to Chandra in the mean time. And that ability, once it resolves, sets up a delayed trigger, which is also independent from Chandra. This delayed trigger will go off the next time you cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, and it will create copies of that spell. Chandra does not create the copy, this delayed trigger does. So killing Chandra in response to the spell you cast and the delayed trigger, which is already on the stack by the time the opponenent gets to respond, won't stop the Stone Rain barrage.
No, from the point where you activate Chandra's -2, doing anything to Chandra has no bearing on her ability. Even if they bolt Chandra with the ability on the stack, it will still resolve and set its effect of copying the next instant or sorcery spell you cast. Abilities and their effects are independent from their sources.
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Yes. A spell copy is a spell on the stack and can be targeted by such spells and countered.
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Ok, thanks again. Just one final question. What if I use the -2 ability of Chandra, Torch of Defiance, then cast Stone Rain. Opponent Stubborn Denial my Stone Rain. Would a copy of the Stone Rain still be created by Chandra -2?
Yes, you would still get your copy of Stone Rain. If the original spell is no longer on the stack when the delayed trigger resolves (for example, if it was countered), it will simply create a copy based on the sorcery's last known information.
608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself, the effect uses the current information of that object if it’s in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it’s no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object’s last known information. See rule 112.7a. If an ability states that an object does something, it’s the object as it exists—or as it most recently existed—that does it, not the ability.
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Yes, it's also a spell.
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