If I have a Riku of Two Reflections out and cast flash choosing protean hulk, it will ETB, die (if I don't pay) and at the same time trigger Riku correct? I would be able to make a copy of the Hulk and get creatures with the death ability to my understanding. I know no player gets priority between it ETB and dying but Riku's ability should still trigger right? Or am I looking at this incorrectly. Thanks!
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Flash puts a creature card onto the battlefield (if you choose so), so any abilities that trigger due to that action, including the second ability of Riku of Two Reflections, will trigger (C.R. 603.2). Whether you choose to pay its mana cost reduced by up to 2 is irrelevant. This is because triggered abilities can trigger even in the middle of a spell or ability resolving (C.R. 603.2a; see also C.R. 704.4).
Note that in the scenario given, the first ability of Riku of Two Reflections will trigger when you cast Flash; it will go on the stack above Flash (C.R. 405.2) and get to resolve before it (C.R. 116.4). For purposes of this scenario, though, I assume you choose not to pay UR when that ability resolves.
Sorry, so does that mean you can make a copy of it? Thank you.
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Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Yes, you certainly can, the Hulk is entering the battlefield. There is no reason you couldn't create a token copy, provided you pay UG. The fact that the Hulk isn't on the battlefield anymore when Riku's ability resolves isn't a problem, the copy effect will use last known information about the Hulk.
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Sorry, so does that mean you can make a copy of it? Thank you.
Yes, you can make a copy of it.
Gatherer entry for Flash:
5/1/2007 - The creature enters the battlefield, so it will trigger enters-the-battlefield abilities even if you have chosen to not pay.
Gatherer entry for Riku:
9/22/2011 - If the creature that caused Riku’s second ability to trigger has already left the battlefield by the time the ability resolves, you can still pay GU. If you do, you’ll still put a token onto the battlefield. That token has the copiable values of the characteristics of that creature as it last existed on the battlefield.
The Protean Hulk enters the battlefield, and will cause Riku's second ability to trigger. And even though the Hulk might be gone, you can still pay for Riku's ability and it will create a token copy of the Hulk.
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Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
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If I have a Riku of Two Reflections out and cast flash choosing protean hulk, it will ETB, die (if I don't pay) and at the same time trigger Riku correct? I would be able to make a copy of the Hulk and get creatures with the death ability to my understanding. I know no player gets priority between it ETB and dying but Riku's ability should still trigger right? Or am I looking at this incorrectly. Thanks!
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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RIP Twin
Note that in the scenario given, the first ability of Riku of Two Reflections will trigger when you cast Flash; it will go on the stack above Flash (C.R. 405.2) and get to resolve before it (C.R. 116.4). For purposes of this scenario, though, I assume you choose not to pay UR when that ability resolves.
EDIT (Mar. 2): Correctness edit.
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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RIP Twin
Yes, you can make a copy of it.
Gatherer entry for Flash:
Gatherer entry for Riku:
The Protean Hulk enters the battlefield, and will cause Riku's second ability to trigger. And even though the Hulk might be gone, you can still pay for Riku's ability and it will create a token copy of the Hulk.
Hope that helps.
Double post merged. Replying to each person that answered you individually doesn't work too well, the link with each post doesn't show unless you quote or at least name them. We know you're thanking everyone. -MadMage
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir Mono-U Control
Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Sen Triplets
Mizzix of the Izmagnus
Derevi Stax
VolThrun
Marchesa, The Black Rose
Olivia Voldaren, Vampire Tribal
Modern: Fish, JUND/Junk
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RIP Twin