I'm creating a Baron Von Count Commander deck and I want to specifically know if the ability numbers on Planeswalkers are part of the textbox?
Now Baron Von Count says mana cost, text box, power, or toughness. So I'm assuming that the starting loyalty box on the bottom right doesn't count towards these requirements, fine. However now I'm questioning the ability numbers as well. Are these considered part of the "textbox"? They sort of have their own thing going on!
Now Baron Von Count says mana cost, text box, power, or toughness. So I'm assuming that the starting loyalty box on the bottom right doesn't count towards these requirements, fine.
The text box is distinct from the loyalty.
200.1. The parts of a card are name, mana cost, illustration, color indicator, type line, expansion symbol, text box, power and toughness, loyalty, hand modifier, life modifier, illustration credit, legal text, and collector number. Some cards may have more than one of any or all of these parts.
The loyalty abilities of planeswalkers are considered to be costs which have certain symbols in them, denoted textually as "[+N]" or "[-N]" or "[0]". These symbols comprise numbers, the same way that the mana symbols and do. Those symbols are seen on cards as a number inside a fat arrow, or box in the case of [0].
All of this is inside the text box.
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The loyalty abilities of planeswalkers are considered to be costs which have certain symbols in them, denoted textually as "[+N]" or "[-N]" or "[0]". These symbols comprise numbers, the same way that the mana symbols and do. Those symbols are seen on cards as a number inside a fat arrow, or box in the case of [0].
All of this is inside the text box.
Thanks. I have another question. Some older cards like Mana Vault have the text 3, but in newer additions would be seen as "three" or CCC.
Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Thanks. I have another question. Some older cards like Mana Vault have the text 3, but in newer additions would be seen as "three" or CCC.
Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Use the text found in the Oracle card reference to determine a card's wording (C.R. 108.1). For example, the Oracle text of Mana Vault's last ability is "T: Add CCC to your mana pool." at the time of this writing.
Thanks. I have another question. Some older cards like Mana Vault have the text 3, but in newer additions would be seen as "three" or CCC.
Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Use the text found in the Oracle card reference to determine a card's wording (C.R. 108.1). For example, the Oracle text of Mana Vault's last ability is "T: Add CCC to your mana pool." at the time of this writing.
While this is true for all normal cases, Uncards actually use the printed card when referencing aspects of that card.
While this is true for all normal cases, Uncards actually use the printed card when referencing aspects of that card.
That is generally the case only if all the players in the game agree to modify C.R. 108.1 (that is, impose a "house rule" on the matter). But see R&D's Secret Lair, an Unhinged card that directly contradicts C.R. 108.1 when it says to "(i)gnore all errata" (C.R. 101.1).
Thanks. I have another question. Some older cards like Mana Vault have the text 3, but in newer additions would be seen as "three" or CCC.
Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Use the text found in the Oracle card reference to determine a card's wording (C.R. 108.1). For example, the Oracle text of Mana Vault's last ability is "T: Add CCC to your mana pool." at the time of this writing.
While this is true for all normal cases, Uncards actually use the printed card when referencing aspects of that card.
Thanks. I have another question. Some older cards like Mana Vault have the text 3, but in newer additions would be seen as "three" or CCC.
Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Use the text found in the Oracle card reference to determine a card's wording (C.R. 108.1). For example, the Oracle text of Mana Vault's last ability is "T: Add CCC to your mana pool." at the time of this writing.
While this is true for all normal cases, Uncards actually use the printed card when referencing aspects of that card.
Can you reference where you heard this?
Maro(the unrules manager) has stated for several cards on multiple occasions that uncards care what is printed on the card and the artists credits, collector numbers and other such things are copiable values. I can't access his blog from work but you should be able to find such comments fairly easily.
I found on Maro's blog here a similar question about text boxes and various printings having different effects:
Tainted Monkey naming the word "add" would affect older basic lands that have the word "Add" in the text box.
Which is hilarious because that means the Masterpiece editions of Mana Vault and Sol Ring are worse than revised editions for a Baron Von Count deck.
With respect to that "ruling", compare—
C.R. 305.6, which grants a "land with a basic land type" the corresponding "intrinsic ability" "even if the text box doesn't actually contain that text or the object has no text box", with
C.R. 306.5, which treats a planeswalker's text box as if it included a certain ability.
I found on Maro's blog here a similar question about text boxes and various printings having different effects:
Tainted Monkey naming the word "add" would affect older basic lands that have the word "Add" in the text box.
Which is hilarious because that means the Masterpiece editions of Mana Vault and Sol Ring are worse than revised editions for a Baron Von Count deck.
With respect to that "ruling", compare—
C.R. 305.6, which grants a "land with a basic land type" the corresponding "intrinsic ability" "even if the text box doesn't actually contain that text or the object has no text box", with
C.R. 306.5, which treats a planeswalker's text box as if it included a certain ability.
How does this apply to the asked question or given answer?
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Now Baron Von Count says mana cost, text box, power, or toughness. So I'm assuming that the starting loyalty box on the bottom right doesn't count towards these requirements, fine. However now I'm questioning the ability numbers as well. Are these considered part of the "textbox"? They sort of have their own thing going on!
I read through this article, but doesn't really help : https://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/planeswalker-cards
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---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
The text box is distinct from the loyalty.
If they aren't in the text box, which of the other parts in rule 200.1 is their location?
All of this is inside the text box.
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Is there an official ruling for what wording is exactly on a card? Like are cards errata to read as the newest additions?
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Tainted Monkey naming the word "add" would affect older basic lands that have the word "Add" in the text box.
Which is hilarious because that means the Masterpiece editions of Mana Vault and Sol Ring are worse than revised editions for a Baron Von Count deck.
—Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer