If I have these two cards and a planeswalker on the battlefield, it is now a creature, an artifact, AND a planeswalker. This is where things get weird, and I have a couple questions as a result of that.
1: If this planeswalker is targeted for combat by an opponent, can it block for itself since it is a creature?
2: If yes to the first question, when it blocks, does it still take damage to its loyalty counters or will it be taken to its toughness?
3: If a planeswalker is a creature and is targeted by a spell that would deal damage to a creature, does it take damage to its toughness or its loyalty counters?
4: If a planeswalker creature can block for itself and is indestructible, but is blocking trample damage, when that damage hits through, does it do damage to its toughness or loyalty counters?
This scenario isn't to be confused with Gideon planeswalkers abilities as they are no longer a planeswalker for the period of time that they are creatures. Damage is prevented towards them during this time anyways but this scenario refers to the permanent being a planeswalker AND a creature at the same time.
(1) Yes, it can block for itself. It doesn't really matter that much though.
(2) Both. Damage is both marked on it as a creature AND deducted from loyalty. If it hits 0 loyalty OR lethal damage, it dies.
(3) Again, both.
(4) Once more, both. Note that indestructible doesn't help with 0 loyalty - it still dies.
And all Gideons that turn themselves into creatures say 'still a planeswalker', thus they're planeswalkers and creatures, but they all prevent damage anyway as you note. Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker turns himself fully into a creature, but again, not relevant. So - it's very detrimental to have a walker turn into a creature in the scenario you described. They become extremely vulnerable.
If I have these two cards and a planeswalker on the battlefield, it is now a creature, an artifact, AND a planeswalker. This is where things get weird, and I have a couple questions as a result of that.
1: If this planeswalker is targeted for combat by an opponent, can it block for itself since it is a creature?
Yes, the planeswalker is a creature, so it can block.
2: If yes to the first question, when it blocks, does it still take damage to its loyalty counters or will it be taken to its toughness?
As it is both a planeswalker AND a creature it will take both. So damage will cause you to remove loyalty counters, and damage will be marked against its toughness.
3: If a planeswalker is a creature and is targeted by a spell that would deal damage to a creature, does it take damage to its toughness or its loyalty counters?
Again, both.
4: If a planeswalker creature can block for itself and is indestructible, but is blocking trample damage, when that damage hits through, does it do damage to its toughness or loyalty counters?
The planeswalker will take combat damage. Any damage higher than its toughness will also trample through and hit the planeswalker. All this damage will remove loyalty counters from the planewalker.
An indestructible creature planewalker won't die from lethal damage but can still be put into the graveyard by state based actions if it has no more loyalty counters.
2. Yes, all damage dealt to it will remove loyalty counters and be marked on them to check for lethal.
3. Both, damage dealt to a planeswalker results in the removal of loyalty counters, and the damage will still be marked on the creature to check for lethal.
4. Trample is kind of redundant here, all of the damage will be dealt to the planeswalker and will remove loyalty.
Gideon actually stays a planeswalker but prevents all damage. You're thinking of Sarkhan. This ruling from Gids answers your questions
If you activate Gideon Jura’s third ability and then unpreventable damage is dealt to him (due to Unstable Footing, for example), that damage has all applicable results: specifically, the damage is marked on Gideon Jura (since he’s a creature) and that damage causes that many loyalty counters to be removed from him (since he’s a planeswalker). If the total amount of damage marked on Gideon Jura is lethal damage, he’s destroyed as a state-based action. If Gideon Jura has no loyalty counters on him, he’s put into his owner’s graveyard as a state-based action.
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If I have these two cards and a planeswalker on the battlefield, it is now a creature, an artifact, AND a planeswalker. This is where things get weird, and I have a couple questions as a result of that.
1: If this planeswalker is targeted for combat by an opponent, can it block for itself since it is a creature?
2: If yes to the first question, when it blocks, does it still take damage to its loyalty counters or will it be taken to its toughness?
3: If a planeswalker is a creature and is targeted by a spell that would deal damage to a creature, does it take damage to its toughness or its loyalty counters?
4: If a planeswalker creature can block for itself and is indestructible, but is blocking trample damage, when that damage hits through, does it do damage to its toughness or loyalty counters?
This scenario isn't to be confused with Gideon planeswalkers abilities as they are no longer a planeswalker for the period of time that they are creatures. Damage is prevented towards them during this time anyways but this scenario refers to the permanent being a planeswalker AND a creature at the same time.
(2) Both. Damage is both marked on it as a creature AND deducted from loyalty. If it hits 0 loyalty OR lethal damage, it dies.
(3) Again, both.
(4) Once more, both. Note that indestructible doesn't help with 0 loyalty - it still dies.
And all Gideons that turn themselves into creatures say 'still a planeswalker', thus they're planeswalkers and creatures, but they all prevent damage anyway as you note. Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker turns himself fully into a creature, but again, not relevant. So - it's very detrimental to have a walker turn into a creature in the scenario you described. They become extremely vulnerable.
Yes, the planeswalker is a creature, so it can block.
As it is both a planeswalker AND a creature it will take both. So damage will cause you to remove loyalty counters, and damage will be marked against its toughness.
Again, both.
The planeswalker will take combat damage. Any damage higher than its toughness will also trample through and hit the planeswalker. All this damage will remove loyalty counters from the planewalker.
An indestructible creature planewalker won't die from lethal damage but can still be put into the graveyard by state based actions if it has no more loyalty counters.
Hope all that helps.
2. Yes, all damage dealt to it will remove loyalty counters and be marked on them to check for lethal.
3. Both, damage dealt to a planeswalker results in the removal of loyalty counters, and the damage will still be marked on the creature to check for lethal.
4. Trample is kind of redundant here, all of the damage will be dealt to the planeswalker and will remove loyalty.
Gideon actually stays a planeswalker but prevents all damage. You're thinking of Sarkhan. This ruling from Gids answers your questions