Was playing a team game last night when my partner played allied reinforcements
He had a bala ged thief and proceeded to look at both opponents hands for 3 cards, which was met with a challenge. They claimed he could only look at one person's hand, and for 2 cards even though there are now 3 allies on the board?
I said 2 opponents hands, for 3 cards, because as each ally enters, the thiefs ability triggers...
In the case of kazuul warlord or ondu cleric the stack would only count once?
Ie. 1 +1/+1 counter distributed, or gaining 4-6 life?
Just looking for clarification as this is a reoccurring scenario
Allied Reinforcements put two ally tokens on the battlefield, triggering the Thief's ability twice. Your teammate puts the two instances of the ability on the stack, and they resolve one at a time, not both at once.
When the first one resolves, your mate looks at x cards from the hand of the one opponent targeted by it. X is the number of allies your mate controls right at that moment (three cards if Thief and the tokens are the only ones).
The second can only resolve after the first has finished resolving.
In short; the player will look at three cards from one opponent and discard one, and only after that he will look at three cards from the other opponent.
The other allies also trigger twice, so Kazuul Warlord puts two counters on all allies (including both tokens), and Ondu will give life twice and counting the two tokens.
In this scenario, Bala Ged Thief's ability will trigger twice (since two different Allies entered the battlefield under your teammate's control) (C.R. 603.2), a different player can be targeted with each ability (since they go on the stack separately and have targets chosen separately [C.R. 603.3 and 603.3d speak of one triggered ability being put on the stack, and C.R. 603.3b, more than one; C.R. 601.2c]), and each ability checks the number of Allies its controller controls when it resolves (C.R. 109.5, 608.2g). The same applies to the abilities of Kazuul Warlord and Ondu Cleric (except they don't target anything).
You are correct; the two Ally tokens from the Reinforcements enter the battlefield at the same time and each cause the ability to trigger. This means that there are two instances of the ability, which can target a single player or different players, and the variable for each is set to 3.
Kazuul Warlord would put two +1/+1 counters on each Ally you control for an Allied Reinforcements resolving, and Ondu Cleric would cause you (assuming you controlled no other Allies) to gain 6 life.
He had a bala ged thief and proceeded to look at both opponents hands for 3 cards, which was met with a challenge. They claimed he could only look at one person's hand, and for 2 cards even though there are now 3 allies on the board?
I said 2 opponents hands, for 3 cards, because as each ally enters, the thiefs ability triggers...
In the case of kazuul warlord or ondu cleric the stack would only count once?
Ie. 1 +1/+1 counter distributed, or gaining 4-6 life?
Just looking for clarification as this is a reoccurring scenario
When the first one resolves, your mate looks at x cards from the hand of the one opponent targeted by it. X is the number of allies your mate controls right at that moment (three cards if Thief and the tokens are the only ones).
The second can only resolve after the first has finished resolving.
In short; the player will look at three cards from one opponent and discard one, and only after that he will look at three cards from the other opponent.
The other allies also trigger twice, so Kazuul Warlord puts two counters on all allies (including both tokens), and Ondu will give life twice and counting the two tokens.
EDIT (Jul. 24): Correctness edit.
EDIT (Oct. 25): Better terminology.
Kazuul Warlord would put two +1/+1 counters on each Ally you control for an Allied Reinforcements resolving, and Ondu Cleric would cause you (assuming you controlled no other Allies) to gain 6 life.
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