I hate to be the one kicking the dead horse, but thus far from topics I've seen, no one seems to have directly come to answer this, so I want to make this as cut and dry as possible.
My question is this: With no hand-waving or house-rules going on, can a Commander who does not have Snow in his, technical, color identity, allow for the use of cards that produce or require Snow costs?
I have seen topics tip-toe around the question by opting to look for play-groups to allow for unconventional Commanders for this type of deck to work, without giving a solid "yes" or "no" either way.
I really want to try it, but I only see current value in it if I can play this deck in my local store with people who do rules-lawyering as much as I do. My gut instinct is to say that I can't but I don't have the materials to say otherwise, so I'm directly asking the question, since I am not aware of, nor found, a Commander who actually has the Snow identity to work for the deck, which is truly a shame. We should've had *one* Legendary Snow creature for that very purpose.
You can put snow cards like Scrying Sheets and Mouth of Ronom in any edh deck. Snow is a super type not a color. From a rules point of view, "Snow" is a property that a card can have. Any mana a Snow permanent produces is Snow mana. No rules in EDH deck construction prevent that. Hope that makes sense.
Well that makes my life a lot easier. I hadn't looked too deep into Snow until now, mostly because I hadn't taken a large interest in Snow till I ran out of Commander deck ideas. I thought I had heard or seen cards with Snow mana in their costs, but my searching around now after your replies I guess confirms that is not a color concern. My only concern now is if Snow theme would work well in tangent with Azorius.
Right. It's important to understand that S isn't "snow type mana", it's "any mana that was produced by a permanent with the Snow supertype". (You'll note that no card in the game says anything like "t: Add S to your mana pool") The types of mana are still colorless, white, blue, black, red, and green.
Even Sol Ring can be used for SS if you turn it into a Snow permanent (eg, with Rimefeather Owl).
It's also worth mentioning that there are currently 23 cards in the game which have the S symbol on them, none of which are legendary.
I’d like to comment on this before the salv is gone. Snow EDH is upon us.
The Salv is still there (and still will be, check this annoucement), so the rules still apply. I'm giving you a spam warning because posts in Magic Rulings are reserved for rules Q&A. Also, reviving a two year-old concluded thread isn't ideal, even if it's a good time to bring up Snow. -MadMage
My question is this: With no hand-waving or house-rules going on, can a Commander who does not have Snow in his, technical, color identity, allow for the use of cards that produce or require Snow costs?
I have seen topics tip-toe around the question by opting to look for play-groups to allow for unconventional Commanders for this type of deck to work, without giving a solid "yes" or "no" either way.
I really want to try it, but I only see current value in it if I can play this deck in my local store with people who do rules-lawyering as much as I do. My gut instinct is to say that I can't but I don't have the materials to say otherwise, so I'm directly asking the question, since I am not aware of, nor found, a Commander who actually has the Snow identity to work for the deck, which is truly a shame. We should've had *one* Legendary Snow creature for that very purpose.
Well that makes my life a lot easier. I hadn't looked too deep into Snow until now, mostly because I hadn't taken a large interest in Snow till I ran out of Commander deck ideas. I thought I had heard or seen cards with Snow mana in their costs, but my searching around now after your replies I guess confirms that is not a color concern. My only concern now is if Snow theme would work well in tangent with Azorius.
Thanks for the quick responses.
Even Sol Ring can be used for SS if you turn it into a Snow permanent (eg, with Rimefeather Owl).
It's also worth mentioning that there are currently 23 cards in the game which have the S symbol on them, none of which are legendary.
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The Salv is still there (and still will be, check this annoucement), so the rules still apply. I'm giving you a spam warning because posts in Magic Rulings are reserved for rules Q&A. Also, reviving a two year-old concluded thread isn't ideal, even if it's a good time to bring up Snow. -MadMage