Suppose I am playing Vial Smasher the Fierce and another player targets me with Emrakul, the Promised End's Mindslaver ability. During the controlled turn, they have me cast a spell which randomly deals lethal damage to them. Am I correct that I regain control of my current turn and do not get the extra turn?
You regain control of your turn, since the controlling player left the game, AND you will have your extra turn. That turn was created when Emrarul's ability resolved and the death of the player does not take it away.
Really? I thought it would create a delayed trigger that would fail to trigger because its owner was no longer in the game.
No, the extra turn is not created by a separate delayed triggered ability, it's just set to happen when Emrakul's cast trigger resolves, "slotted" in the turn structure after the next turn of the targeted opponent. Extra turn creation doesn't need the use of delayed triggers to work, and there's no reason Emrakul would need it any more than, say, Time Stretch. A triggered ability, delayed or otherwise, is identifiable by the presence of either 'when', 'whenever' or 'at', none of which are used here.
Notes: I extended my explanation before I saw willdice's post below, which was written before he could see my edit, hence the accidental repetition.
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Just like regular triggered abilities, you can identify delayed triggers by their wording.
603.7. An effect may create a delayed triggered ability that can do something at a later time. A delayed triggered ability will contain "when," "whenever," or "at," although that word won't usually begin the ability.
The extra turn part of Emrakul's ability reads "After that turn, that player takes an extra turn.", with no when/whenever/at to indicate it is a delayed trigger.
That turn was created when Emrarul's ability resolved and the death of the player does not take it away.
Sorry to bring back a five day old thread, but I must point out that this isn't correct. The ability does not create an extra turn when it resolves. Rather, Emrakul's ability creates a rule changing effect that causes the controlled player to take another turn immediately after the turn in which they were controlled. Otherwise the following Oracle ruling wouldn't be possible:
7/13/2016 If the targeted player skips his or her next turn, you’ll control the next turn the affected player actually takes, and the extra turn the player takes will be after that turn.
Because the timing of the controlled player's next turn is not known when the ability resolves, the extra turn cannot be created then.
Furthermore, if the controlling player leaves the game before the start of the would-be controlled player's next turn, the controlled player will not get an extra turn.
That turn was created when Emrarul's ability resolved and the death of the player does not take it away.
Sorry to bring back a five day old thread, but I must point out that this isn't correct. The ability does not create an extra turn when it resolves. Rather, Emrakul's ability creates a rule changing effect that causes the controlled player to take another turn immediately after the turn in which they were controlled. Otherwise the following Oracle ruling wouldn't be possible:
7/13/2016 If the targeted player skips his or her next turn, you’ll control the next turn the affected player actually takes, and the extra turn the player takes will be after that turn.
Because the timing of the controlled player's next turn is not known when the ability resolves, the extra turn cannot be created then.
Furthermore, if the controlling player leaves the game before the start of the would-be controlled player's next turn, the controlled player will not get an extra turn.
No, Rezzahan was correct. I'd agree you can consider extra turn adding as a rules-changing effect that affects the turn order rules, but that doesn't make anything that was said above wrong. The concept that extra turns are created in advance is present in the rules.
500.7. Some effects can give a player extra turns. They do this by adding the turns directly after the specified turn. If a player is given multiple extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time. If multiple players are given extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time, in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). The most recently created turn will be taken first.
This implies that an extra turn can be created, and then take place at a later time than where it was originally "slotted" because another extra turn is created afterwards.
I think I understand your interpretation, but it doesn't change the fact that the extra turn from Emrakul can be added. Emrakul's ability has two effects: one, it makes it so you gain control of the targeted opponent during their next turn (whenever that turn may be, hence the ruling you quoted), and two, it adds an extra turn for the target opponent after his next turn. The second effect is not dependent on the first actually "working". In the phrase "after that turn", that turn still refers to that player's next turn, not "that turn during which you successfully controlled that player".
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Okay, it seems we are arguing English language interpretation rather than MTG rules.
Rezzhan's statement seemed to me to imply that the extra turn was slotted during the resolution of Emrakul's ability (that is the turn order was changed right then and there).
I wanted to clarify that that wasn't so.
Sorry if I made a mountain out of a molehill.
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603.7. An effect may create a delayed triggered ability that can do something at a later time. A delayed triggered ability will contain "when," "whenever," or "at," although that word won't usually begin the ability.
The extra turn part of Emrakul's ability reads "After that turn, that player takes an extra turn.", with no when/whenever/at to indicate it is a delayed trigger.
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Sorry to bring back a five day old thread, but I must point out that this isn't correct. The ability does not create an extra turn when it resolves. Rather, Emrakul's ability creates a rule changing effect that causes the controlled player to take another turn immediately after the turn in which they were controlled. Otherwise the following Oracle ruling wouldn't be possible:
Furthermore, if the controlling player leaves the game before the start of the would-be controlled player's next turn, the controlled player will not get an extra turn.
I think I understand your interpretation, but it doesn't change the fact that the extra turn from Emrakul can be added. Emrakul's ability has two effects: one, it makes it so you gain control of the targeted opponent during their next turn (whenever that turn may be, hence the ruling you quoted), and two, it adds an extra turn for the target opponent after his next turn. The second effect is not dependent on the first actually "working". In the phrase "after that turn", that turn still refers to that player's next turn, not "that turn during which you successfully controlled that player".
Rezzhan's statement seemed to me to imply that the extra turn was slotted during the resolution of Emrakul's ability (that is the turn order was changed right then and there).
I wanted to clarify that that wasn't so.
Sorry if I made a mountain out of a molehill.