Hi I am new to MTG and I have a question about the priority after multiple triggered abilities.
I know that when multiple triggered abilities trigger, the order always goes APNAP.
My question is: which player gets the priority to respond before the stack resolves?
First, let's put it very clearly: the Stack doesn't resolve. The Stack is only the zone where spells and abilities exist. Each spell or ability on the stack resolves individually, and all players have the chance to respond again after each single spell or ability has resolved.
After a spell or ability has resolves, the players put any new triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player gains priority first. If the player passes, the next player in turn order gains priority. If all players pass and there's something on the stack, the top object on the stack resolves, and then the active player gains priority again. But if all players pass and the stack is empty, the current game step or phase ends and the next one begins.
As a step or phase begins, you perform the relevant turn-based action (like drawing a card or declaring blockers), put any relevant triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player also gains priority first.
The player who gets priority if multiple triggered abilities go on the stack at the same time is the same as if only one triggered ability went on the stack (under C.R. 116.5, triggered abilities go on the stack each time a player, that is, any player, would get priority; eventually, "the player who would have received priority does so"). Note also that a spell or ability on the stack resolves, in general, only if all players pass in a row, meaning that all players necessarily had priority and chose "not to take any actions" (C.R. 116.4, 116.3d).
First, let's put it very clearly: the Stack doesn't resolve. The Stack is only the zone where spells and abilities exist. Each spell or ability on the stack resolves individually, and all players have the chance to respond again after each single spell or ability has resolved.
After a spell or ability has resolves, the players put any new triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player gains priority first. If the player passes, the next player in turn order gains priority. If all players pass and there's something on the stack, the top object on the stack resolves, and then the active player gains priority again. But if all players pass and the stack is empty, the current game step or phase ends and the next one begins.
As a step or phase begins, you perform the relevant turn-based action (like drawing a card or declaring blockers), put any relevant triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player also gains priority first.
It seems like you didn't quite understand what my question is.
Of course I know what a stack is, but my question is not about the stack.
According to the comprehensive rule:
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities he or she controls on the stack in any order he or she chooses. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
The appropriate player generally is the Active player, the one whose turn it is.
However, some very unusual situations may have some other player be 'the appropriate player'.
See rule 116.3 for details.
The player who gets priority if multiple triggered abilities go on the stack at the same time is the same as if only one triggered ability went on the stack (under C.R. 116.5, triggered abilities go on the stack each time a player, that is, any player, would get priority; eventually, "the player who would have received priority does so"). Note also that a spell or ability on the stack resolves, in general, only if all players pass, meaning that all players necessarily had priority and chose "not to take any actions" (C.R. 116.4, 116.3d).
The appropriate player generally is the Active player, the one whose turn it is. (rule 116.3)
However, some very unusual situations may have some other player be 'the appropriate player'.
So it is usually the active player gets the priority to respond after multiple triggered abilities put into the stack in APNAP order, right? Thank you!
The player who gets priority if multiple triggered abilities go on the stack at the same time is the same as if only one triggered ability went on the stack (under C.R. 116.5, triggered abilities go on the stack each time a player, that is, any player, would get priority; eventually, "the player who would have received priority does so"). Note also that a spell or ability on the stack resolves, in general, only if all players pass, meaning that all players necessarily had priority and chose "not to take any actions" (C.R. 116.4, 116.3d).
The appropriate player generally is the Active player, the one whose turn it is. (rule 116.3)
However, some very unusual situations may have some other player be 'the appropriate player'.
So it is usually the active player gets the priority to respond after multiple triggered abilities put into the stack in APNAP order, right? Thank you!
It ends up being so more often than not, but in actuality, the rule is that the player who gets priority is the same who would have gotten it at that point in time if no triggered abilities were put on the stack. That's what is meant by the "appropriate player." The main example is when a player other than the active player casts a spell or activates an ability, and that action causes one or more triggered abilities to trigger. It's the player who cast that spell or activated that ability who gets priority first after that, as they would if no triggered abilities triggered. A given player always gets priority first to respond to their own spell or activated ability (followed by the other players in turn order).
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Scenario 1: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger at AP's beginning of the upkeep, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then AP has the priority.
Scenario 2: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger when NAP's creature enters the battlefield during AP's turn, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then NAP has the priority.
Please correct me if there are any mistakes. Thank you.
Scenario 2: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger when NAP's creature enters the battlefield during AP's turn, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then NAP has the priority.
Not quite. The AP always gets priority first after a spell or ability resolves. The situation where the NAP gets priority first is after they cast a spell or activate an ability.
Example: A controls Blood Artist. During A's turn, N casts Altar's Reap sacrificing Goblin Arsonist. Blood Artist's trigger is out onto the stack, then Goblin Arsonist's, then N gets priority.
No. In both scenarios the active player will get priority. It doesn't matter who puts his/her triggers on the stack last, only whose turn it is, and who gains priority next as per the rules for priority. (The active player gets priority first during each step/phase; the active player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved; the player who cast a spell/activated an ability/took a special action gets priority afterwards if he/she had priority before.)
Scenario 2: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger when NAP's creature enters the battlefield during AP's turn, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then NAP has the priority.
Not quite. The AP always gets priority first after a spell or ability resolves. The situation where the NAP gets priority first is after they cast a spell or activate an ability.
Example: A controls Blood Artist. During A's turn, N casts Altar's Reap sacrificing Goblin Arsonist. Blood Artist's trigger is out onto the stack, then Goblin Arsonist's, then N gets priority.
Thank you.
I get that the AP always gets priority first after a spell or ability resolves.
I was assuming the abilities on the stack hasn't resolved yet.
Since it's NAP who casts a creature into the battlefield to trigger the triggered abilities, NAP has the priority to respond after all the triggered abilities go into the stack before resolving.
Is this correct?
I was assuming the abilities on the stack hasn't resolved yet.
Since it's NAP who casts a creature into the battlefield to trigger the triggered abilities, NAP has the priority to respond after all the triggered abilities go into the stack before resolving.
Is this correct?
No. In order for a creature to enter the battlefield, it usually requires a spell or ability to resolve (a creature spell, or something to blink it, etc.), and in that case, since something resolved, the active player gets priority.
No. In both scenarios the active player will get priority. It doesn't matter who puts his/her triggers on the stack last, only whose turn it is, and who gains priority next as per the rules for priority. (The active player gets priority first during each step/phase; the active player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved; the player who cast a spell/activated an ability/took a special action gets priority afterwards if he/she had priority before.)
I was assuming the abilities on the stack has not begun to resolve yet.
Since it is NAP who cats a spell to trigger the triggered abilities during AP's turn, does NAP have the priority to respond before the abilities on the stack resolve? Or it is AP because it is during his/her turn?
Thank you!
I was assuming the abilities on the stack hasn't resolved yet.
Since it's NAP who casts a creature into the battlefield to trigger the triggered abilities, NAP has the priority to respond after all the triggered abilities go into the stack before resolving.
Is this correct?
No. In order for a creature to enter the battlefield, it usually requires a spell or ability to resolve (a creature spell, or something to blink it, etc.), and in that case, since something resolved, the active player gets priority.
If something triggers during the actual action of casting the spell or activating the ability (like triggers on sacrificing or targeting, etc.), then the nonactive player gets priority to respond first (if he was the one to cast/activate), regardless of whose turn it is. But if something has to resolve to trigger an ability, the active player gets priority first.
If something triggers during the actual action of casting the spell or activating the ability (like triggers on sacrificing or targeting, etc.), then the nonactive player gets priority to respond first (if he was the one to cast/activate), regardless of whose turn it is. But if something has to resolve to trigger an ability, the active player gets priority first.
- Whoever casts the spell to trigger the triggered abilities has priority to respond.
- AP always has priority whenever a spell resolves.
The active player gets priority first during each step/phase;
the active player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved;
the player who cast a spell/activated an ability/took a special action gets priority afterwards if he/she had priority before.
Stick to those rules, you don't need to paraphrase them differently. Triggered abilities going off or not has no relevance whatsoever.
The active player gets priority first during each step/phase;
the active player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved;
the player who cast a spell/activated an ability/took a special action gets priority afterwards if he/she had priority before.
Stick to those rules, you don't need to paraphrase them differently. Triggered abilities going off or not has no relevance whatsoever.
Thank you so much! I will remember these three rules!
Scenario 2: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger when NAP's creature enters the battlefield during AP's turn, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then NAP has the priority.
Not quite. The AP always gets priority first after a spell or ability resolves. The situation where the NAP gets priority first is after they cast a spell or activate an ability.
Example: A controls Blood Artist. During A's turn, N casts Altar's Reap sacrificing Goblin Arsonist. Blood Artist's trigger is out onto the stack, then Goblin Arsonist's, then N gets priority.
So to make this clear.
Assume the stack is empty.
N casts Altar's Reap and sacrifices Goblin Arsonist
Both Blood Artist and Goblin Arsonist have abilities that trigger.
Because of APNAP, Blood Artist goes on the stack first and A must pick target player.
Then Goblin Artist goes on the stack, and N must pick a target for the trigger. (Let's say he picks Blood Artist)
Once that is done, this is the first chance for either player to react to the triggers. Since N's Goblin Arsonist's ability is on top of the stack, N had priority, he gets priority first. He passes.
A now has priority, if he wants to, he can cast Shock targeting N. Shock is now on the stack, and A can hold priority (to cast another Shock if they want or something else).
A passes, and N can now respond to the Shock. N passes, shock resolves, N takes 2 damage.
All players have passed and Goblin Arsonist's trigger goes off, killing Blood Artist.
This triggers a NEW Blood Artist ability, that goes on the stack. A targets N with it.
Question: Does A get priority when this ability hits the stack? I believe he does.
A and N pass, the second Blood Artist ability resolves and N takes 1 damage.
Stack is now:
* 1st Blood Artist ability
* Alter Reap spell.
I believe at this point A can respond to the first Blood Artist ability if they want, and then N can respond to it if they want?
If both pass, it resolves and N takes 1 more damage.
Now we are at Alter Reap. Since N cast it, N has priority first, correct? N passes, then A passes, spell resolves and N draws 2 cards and the stack is empty.
Did I mess up some of the priority there or did I get it right?
N casts Altar's Reap and sacrifices Goblin Arsonist
Both Blood Artist and Goblin Arsonist have abilities that trigger.
Because of APNAP, Blood Artist goes on the stack first and A must pick target player.
Then Goblin Artist goes on the stack, and N must pick a target for the trigger. (Let's say he picks Blood Artist)
Once that is done, this is the first chance for either player to react to the triggers. Since N's Goblin Arsonist's ability is on top of the stack, N had priority, he gets priority first. He passes.
N gets priority not becasue his trigger is on top of the stack, but because he had priority when casting Altar's Reap, so he gets priority back after he finished the casting process and all waiting triggers are put on the stack.
A now has priority, if he wants to, he can cast Shock targeting N. Shock is now on the stack, and A can hold priority (to cast another Shock if they want or something else).
A passes, and N can now respond to the Shock. N passes, shock resolves, N takes 2 damage.
All players have to pass priority in succession here again before anything else can resolve (next in line is the Arsonist's trigger).
All players have passed and Goblin Arsonist's trigger goes off, killing Blood Artist.
This triggers a NEW Blood Artist ability, that goes on the stack. A targets N with it.
Question: Does A get priority when this ability hits the stack? I believe he does.
Yes, because an ability on the stack resolved, so the active player gets priority after all waiting triggers are put on the stack.
A and N pass, the second Blood Artist ability resolves and N takes 1 damage.
He loses 1 life, which is not the same as taking damage.
Stack is now:
* 1st Blood Artist ability
* Alter Reap spell.
I believe at this point A can respond to the first Blood Artist ability if they want, and then N can respond to it if they want?
Yes.
If both pass, it resolves and N takes 1 more damage.
Loses 1 more life.
Now we are at Alter Reap. Since N cast it, N has priority first, correct? N passes, then A passes, spell resolves and N draws 2 cards and the stack is empty.
No, the active player has priority first, because this is the first time a player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved (Blood Artist's trigger).
Thanks for clearing that up (and correcting my sloppy terminology )
So basically whenever the stack is added to, the player who triggered that stack growth will have first priority after everything is added to it. Thereafter, Active Player will always have first priority as the stack resolves (unless one or more items are added to the stack by a Non-active player)
That was a subtle difference I hadn't been aware of (and honestly, it feels a bit counter intuitive to me, but it is what it is)
The stack is a game zone, it always exists, and it cannot resolve. Objects on the stack resolve. Also, putting triggered abilities on the stack doesn't influence who gets priority next.
Quoting myself from above:
The active player gets priority first during each step/phase;
the active player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved;
the player who cast a spell/activated an ability/took a special action gets priority afterwards if he/she had priority before.
I know that when multiple triggered abilities trigger, the order always goes APNAP.
My question is: which player gets the priority to respond before the stack resolves?
Thank you!
After a spell or ability has resolves, the players put any new triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player gains priority first. If the player passes, the next player in turn order gains priority. If all players pass and there's something on the stack, the top object on the stack resolves, and then the active player gains priority again. But if all players pass and the stack is empty, the current game step or phase ends and the next one begins.
As a step or phase begins, you perform the relevant turn-based action (like drawing a card or declaring blockers), put any relevant triggered abilities on the stack, and then the active player also gains priority first.
It seems like you didn't quite understand what my question is.
Of course I know what a stack is, but my question is not about the stack.
According to the comprehensive rule:
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities he or she controls on the stack in any order he or she chooses. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
This is the part where I don't get.
However, some very unusual situations may have some other player be 'the appropriate player'.
See rule 116.3 for details.
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Thanks for answering the question!
So it is usually the active player gets the priority to respond after multiple triggered abilities put into the stack in APNAP order, right? Thank you!
I see, so it really depends on the situation.
Let's say if there are two scenario,
Scenario 1: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger at AP's beginning of the upkeep, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then AP has the priority.
Scenario 2: multiple triggered abilities from both players trigger when NAP's creature enters the battlefield during AP's turn, the abilities goes APNAP order into the stack, then NAP has the priority.
Please correct me if there are any mistakes. Thank you.
Example: A controls Blood Artist. During A's turn, N casts Altar's Reap sacrificing Goblin Arsonist. Blood Artist's trigger is out onto the stack, then Goblin Arsonist's, then N gets priority.
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Thank you.
I get that the AP always gets priority first after a spell or ability resolves.
I was assuming the abilities on the stack hasn't resolved yet.
Since it's NAP who casts a creature into the battlefield to trigger the triggered abilities, NAP has the priority to respond after all the triggered abilities go into the stack before resolving.
Is this correct?
No. In order for a creature to enter the battlefield, it usually requires a spell or ability to resolve (a creature spell, or something to blink it, etc.), and in that case, since something resolved, the active player gets priority.
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
I was assuming the abilities on the stack has not begun to resolve yet.
Since it is NAP who cats a spell to trigger the triggered abilities during AP's turn, does NAP have the priority to respond before the abilities on the stack resolve? Or it is AP because it is during his/her turn?
Thank you!
Just saw your reply after I post. Thank you!
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
- Whoever casts the spell to trigger the triggered abilities has priority to respond.
- AP always has priority whenever a spell resolves.
Are they correct?
Stick to those rules, you don't need to paraphrase them differently. Triggered abilities going off or not has no relevance whatsoever.
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
Thank you so much! I will remember these three rules!
So to make this clear.
Assume the stack is empty.
N casts Altar's Reap and sacrifices Goblin Arsonist
Both Blood Artist and Goblin Arsonist have abilities that trigger.
Because of APNAP, Blood Artist goes on the stack first and A must pick target player.
Then Goblin Artist goes on the stack, and N must pick a target for the trigger. (Let's say he picks Blood Artist)
Once that is done, this is the first chance for either player to react to the triggers. Since N's Goblin Arsonist's ability is on top of the stack, N had priority, he gets priority first. He passes.
A now has priority, if he wants to, he can cast Shock targeting N. Shock is now on the stack, and A can hold priority (to cast another Shock if they want or something else).
A passes, and N can now respond to the Shock. N passes, shock resolves, N takes 2 damage.
All players have passed and Goblin Arsonist's trigger goes off, killing Blood Artist.
This triggers a NEW Blood Artist ability, that goes on the stack. A targets N with it.
Question: Does A get priority when this ability hits the stack? I believe he does.
A and N pass, the second Blood Artist ability resolves and N takes 1 damage.
Stack is now:
* 1st Blood Artist ability
* Alter Reap spell.
I believe at this point A can respond to the first Blood Artist ability if they want, and then N can respond to it if they want?
If both pass, it resolves and N takes 1 more damage.
Now we are at Alter Reap. Since N cast it, N has priority first, correct? N passes, then A passes, spell resolves and N draws 2 cards and the stack is empty.
Did I mess up some of the priority there or did I get it right?
N gets priority not becasue his trigger is on top of the stack, but because he had priority when casting Altar's Reap, so he gets priority back after he finished the casting process and all waiting triggers are put on the stack.
All players have to pass priority in succession here again before anything else can resolve (next in line is the Arsonist's trigger).
Yes, because an ability on the stack resolved, so the active player gets priority after all waiting triggers are put on the stack.
He loses 1 life, which is not the same as taking damage.
Yes.
Loses 1 more life.
No, the active player has priority first, because this is the first time a player gets priority after an object on the stack resolved (Blood Artist's trigger).
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
So basically whenever the stack is added to, the player who triggered that stack growth will have first priority after everything is added to it. Thereafter, Active Player will always have first priority as the stack resolves (unless one or more items are added to the stack by a Non-active player)
That was a subtle difference I hadn't been aware of (and honestly, it feels a bit counter intuitive to me, but it is what it is)
Quoting myself from above:
This is all there is to it.
Former Rules Advisor
"Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge
(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)