Recently whilst playing commander on MTGO, an opponent told me that the new o-ring effects as seen on card like banisher priest will return the card to play if it is a commander which was sent to the command zone instead of exile as the ability resolved, and it has not been cast since then.
The particular card I used was grasp of fate, and it was not destroyed before the commander I have exiled was recast (making it a new object) however I was curious as to whether this is actually true. I can't find any specific ruling for it, and I would have thought that being a card released in a commander set it would have been noted.
Well, on modo it is kinda so-so with how it works.
In real life it is correct. Unless the return ability refers to "the exiled object" it is able to track the card even though the exiling is replaced by putting it into the command zone. and return it form there.
EDIT for some rules:
603.6. Trigger events that involve objects changing zones are called “zone-change triggers.” Many abilities with zone-change triggers attempt to do something to that object after it changes zones. During resolution, these abilities look for the object in the zone that it moved to. If the object is unable to be found in the zone it went to, the part of the ability attempting to do something to the object will fail to do anything. The ability could be unable to find the object because the object never entered the specified zone, because it left the zone before the ability resolved, or because it is in a zone that is hidden from a player, such as a library or an opponent’s hand. (This rule applies even if the object leaves the zone and returns again before the ability resolves.) The most common zone-change triggers are enters-the-battlefield triggers and leaves-the-battlefield triggers. #
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"When Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control."
The linked trigger Oblivion Ring creates specifies the card in the exile zone. As such, the card will only be returned when Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield if it is in exile.
Banishing Light however has a key difference - it creates a duration effect, rather than a linked trigger when it leaves, and at no point specifies the 'exiled card', 'card in exile', or similar. Because of this, it will return the card it exiled from whatever zone that card was moved to during the resolution of the enter the battlefield trigger, so long as that card is the same game object (has not changed zones since then), and can be tracked (not in a hidden zone such as the hand or library). Examples include moving a Commander to the command zone instead of exile.
For another comparison, part of the Mystifying Maze ability creates a linked delayed trigger on resolution that will return the creature it exiled, similar to how Oblivion Ring works. Here, the difference is that the delayed trigger is referring to the card removed by the activated ability, not the 'exiled card'. The result is that the return trigger works similarly to Banishing Light, in that it will return the card it removed regardless of the zone that card is in, with the same caveats as Banishing Light.
The particular card I used was grasp of fate, and it was not destroyed before the commander I have exiled was recast (making it a new object) however I was curious as to whether this is actually true. I can't find any specific ruling for it, and I would have thought that being a card released in a commander set it would have been noted.
In real life it is correct. Unless the return ability refers to "the exiled object" it is able to track the card even though the exiling is replaced by putting it into the command zone. and return it form there.
EDIT for some rules:
603.6. Trigger events that involve objects changing zones are called “zone-change triggers.” Many abilities with zone-change triggers attempt to do something to that object after it changes zones. During resolution, these abilities look for the object in the zone that it moved to. If the object is unable to be found in the zone it went to, the part of the ability attempting to do something to the object will fail to do anything. The ability could be unable to find the object because the object never entered the specified zone, because it left the zone before the ability resolved, or because it is in a zone that is hidden from a player, such as a library or an opponent’s hand. (This rule applies even if the object leaves the zone and returns again before the ability resolves.) The most common zone-change triggers are enters-the-battlefield triggers and leaves-the-battlefield triggers. #
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Oblivion Ring
Banishing Light
Mystifying Maze
"When Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control."
The linked trigger Oblivion Ring creates specifies the card in the exile zone. As such, the card will only be returned when Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield if it is in exile.
Banishing Light however has a key difference - it creates a duration effect, rather than a linked trigger when it leaves, and at no point specifies the 'exiled card', 'card in exile', or similar. Because of this, it will return the card it exiled from whatever zone that card was moved to during the resolution of the enter the battlefield trigger, so long as that card is the same game object (has not changed zones since then), and can be tracked (not in a hidden zone such as the hand or library). Examples include moving a Commander to the command zone instead of exile.
For another comparison, part of the Mystifying Maze ability creates a linked delayed trigger on resolution that will return the creature it exiled, similar to how Oblivion Ring works. Here, the difference is that the delayed trigger is referring to the card removed by the activated ability, not the 'exiled card'. The result is that the return trigger works similarly to Banishing Light, in that it will return the card it removed regardless of the zone that card is in, with the same caveats as Banishing Light.
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