My Reyhan attacks in a multiplayer game where I have 3 opponents.
The 2 token copies of Reyhan enter with 3 +1/+1 counters. And immediately are sacrificed to the Legendary Rule.
My original Reyhan's ability triggers asking me to target a creature to gain those +1/+1 counters.
Can I choose my original Reyhan, with the blade, get to have all the +1/+1 counters from the dead tokens?
Yes, creatures leaving the battlefield because of the legend rule triggers leaves the battlefield and dies triggers. Additionally, since Reyhan enters the battlefield with the +1/+1 counters on him, the tokens have them when they enter the battlefield, and thus have them when they leave the battlefield.
I think the way this would work is, each copy of Reyhan sees the others put into the graveyard. Thus would each of them trigger for each copy, allowing you to put more counters onto the original Reyhan than were on the copies themselves?
E.g. You have three opponents. You attack one with a Reyhan equipped with a Blade of Selves. The Blade triggers, creating two copies of Reyhan. You choose to keep the original, sending the other two to the graveyard. Two of your creatures "died," and all three Reyhans see the two die. Thus, you would get six triggers. Because the effect of Reyhan doesn't actually move the counters (it just places that many onto another creature), you should get 6 times 3 counters to place onto other creatures, in sets of three. So you could potentially place 18 more +1/+1 counters onto Reyhan.
This seems plausible, can a DCI Judge get in on this?
As rigeld2 said, 13005 is correct. There will be 6 Reyhan triggers, and a total of 18 counters can be placed on the original Reyhan.
I'm a judge, and I've read in another recent thread that rigeld2 is a L2. But that isn't relevant, and it is considered poor form on this forum to ignore someone's answer just because they don't label themselves as judges. What matters is that we can back up our claims with the rules.
So here is the rule this ruling is based on :
603.6d. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions. Continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities must be treated specially. Leaves-the-battlefield abilities, abilities that trigger when a card leaves a graveyard, abilities that trigger when a permanent phases out, abilities that trigger when an object that all players can see is put into a hand or library, abilities that trigger specifically when an object becomes unattached, abilities that trigger when a player loses control of an object, and abilities that trigger when a player planeswalks away from a plane will trigger based on their existence, and the appearance of objects, prior to the event rather than afterward. The game has to "look back in time" to determine if these abilities trigger. Example: Two creatures are on the battlefield along with an artifact that has the ability "Whenever a creature dies, you gain 1 life." Someone plays a spell that destroys all artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. The artifact's ability triggers twice, even though the artifact goes to its owner's graveyard at the same time as the creatures.
This shows that both Reyhan token copies will 'see' each other dying and accordingly trigger twice, in addition to the original Reyhan triggering twice.
I'm a former judge (lapsed), who keeps up to date on rules and policy. Keep in mind that judges' answers aren't necessarily more valid than those of people who aren't judges; what matters is we can quote the rules to back up our answers. When in doubt, ask for such quotes.
I didn't ignore his post, he didn't identify as such, nor did I ask for a Judge. I asked if a Judge "can ge tin on this" The answer to that question is, yes. A DCI Judge can get in on this discussion, not that I was asking for a Judge to get in on this discussion.
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My Reyhan attacks in a multiplayer game where I have 3 opponents.
The 2 token copies of Reyhan enter with 3 +1/+1 counters. And immediately are sacrificed to the Legendary Rule.
My original Reyhan's ability triggers asking me to target a creature to gain those +1/+1 counters.
Can I choose my original Reyhan, with the blade, get to have all the +1/+1 counters from the dead tokens?
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I think the way this would work is, each copy of Reyhan sees the others put into the graveyard. Thus would each of them trigger for each copy, allowing you to put more counters onto the original Reyhan than were on the copies themselves?
E.g. You have three opponents. You attack one with a Reyhan equipped with a Blade of Selves. The Blade triggers, creating two copies of Reyhan. You choose to keep the original, sending the other two to the graveyard. Two of your creatures "died," and all three Reyhans see the two die. Thus, you would get six triggers. Because the effect of Reyhan doesn't actually move the counters (it just places that many onto another creature), you should get 6 times 3 counters to place onto other creatures, in sets of three. So you could potentially place 18 more +1/+1 counters onto Reyhan.
Is this not how this scenario would work?
Your explanation is exactly how that scenario would play out.
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I'm a judge, and I've read in another recent thread that rigeld2 is a L2. But that isn't relevant, and it is considered poor form on this forum to ignore someone's answer just because they don't label themselves as judges. What matters is that we can back up our claims with the rules.
So here is the rule this ruling is based on :
This shows that both Reyhan token copies will 'see' each other dying and accordingly trigger twice, in addition to the original Reyhan triggering twice.
I will be reporting your abuse of powers and misconduct.
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
Scientists have calculated that the chance of anything so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.