What happens to exiled cards if they were not exiled by Karn Liberated when Karn ultimates and restarts a game?
I played Tron today, play Karn turn 3, upticking him. My opponent resolves two Crumble to Dust on turns 4 and 5, exiling all my Urza's Tower and Urza's Mine. I then ultimate Karn, restarting the game, but the LGS judge says the lands exiled with the Crumble remain exiled in the new game. Is this correct?
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This is not correct. The new game starts as it normally does, except for cards exiled by Karn. As Karn didn't exile your Towers and Mines, they should be shuffled into your deck as normal. Key points underlined.
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6/1/2011 Karn's first and third abilities are linked. Similarly, Karn's second and third abilities are linked. Only cards exiled by either of Karn's first two abilities will remain in exile when the game restarts.
6/1/2011 The player who controlled the ability that restarted the game is the starting player in the new game. The new game starts like a game normally does:
-- Each player shuffles his or her deck (except the cards left in exile by Karn's ability).
-- Each player's life total becomes 20 (or the starting life total for whatever format you're playing).
-- Players draw a hand of seven cards. Players may take mulligans.
-- Players may take actions based on cards in their opening hands, such as Chancellors and Leylines.
6/1/2011 After the pre-game procedure is complete, but before the new game's first turn, Karn's ability finishes resolving and the cards left in exile are put onto the battlefield. If this causes any triggered abilities to trigger, those abilities are put onto the stack at the beginning of the first upkeep step.
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It is not correct. When restarting the game you'd do everything you normally would when beginning a new game. So each player would take all the cards they were playing in that game (in every zone) and shuffle them into their library, set their life totals to 20, resolve mulligans, etc. The only cards that wouldn't do this would be non-aura permanent cards exiled by Karn's first or second ability, because the effect specifically states those stay exiled during the restart.
You can appeal to the head judge, if you think a judge is wrong. If the judge is the head judge, then you are pretty much out of luck. The head judge's decision is final even if it's wrong. Don't argue during the game and accept the decision. You can discuss the matter with him after the match is over. But arguing at length with a judge during a match may itself be considered an infraction.
I played Tron today, play Karn turn 3, upticking him. My opponent resolves two Crumble to Dust on turns 4 and 5, exiling all my Urza's Tower and Urza's Mine. I then ultimate Karn, restarting the game, but the LGS judge says the lands exiled with the Crumble remain exiled in the new game. Is this correct?
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
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So how to handle a situation when a judge rules differently? This was a sanctioned event at an LGS, btw.
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
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GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt