I cast Dramatic Entrance on my opponents end step. Opponent response with Vendilion Clique with Dramatic Entrance on the stack. I reveal a Primeval Titan and two copies of Sakura-tribe elder in my hand. Opponent chooses Primeval Titan, and I put it under my library. I then put STE into play to resolve dramatic entrance. We go to my turn, and my opponent tells that I never drew a card for Vendilion Clique. I then draw Primeval Titan with that draw (before my draw step).
In the end, I don't think it would have made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, but should I have called a judge in this situation?
If I did, what would have happened? Vendilion Clique's draw is not a "may" ability, so I should have drawn during its resolution, but didn't. I then, myself, decided to resolve Dramatic Entrance and change phases/turn. If we resolved Clique's ability correctly, I could have put Primeval Titan into play, as it was my next draw. Additionally, I drew the card and put it in my hand before realizing we did things out of order. Also note, I do not think this was intentional by the opponent.
I cast Dramatic Entrance on my opponents end step. Opponent response with Vendilion Clique with Dramatic Entrance on the stack. I reveal a Primeval Titan and two copies of Sakura-tribe elder in my hand. Opponent chooses Primeval Titan, and I put it under my library. I then put STE into play to resolve dramatic entrance. We go to my turn, and my opponent tells that I never drew a card for Vendilion Clique. I then draw Primeval Titan with that draw (before my draw step).
In the end, I don't think it would have made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, but should I have called a judge in this situation?
You essentially did what a judge would have done. As long as the board state hasn't changed appreciably (and unless you cracked STE immediately it hasn't) the rewind to V-Clique's ability on the stack is trivial.
If I did, what would have happened? Vendilion Clique's draw is not a "may" ability, so I should have drawn during its resolution, but didn't. I then, myself, decided to resolve Dramatic Entrance and change phases/turn. If we resolved Clique's ability correctly, I could have put Primeval Titan into play, as it was my next draw. Additionally, I drew the card and put it in my hand before realizing we did things out of order. Also note, I do not think this was intentional by the opponent.
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Your opponent would've gotten a GPE-GRV, you would've gotten a GPE-FtMGS, and you'd be there with a Prime Time in your hand and Dramatic Entrance on the stack in his end step.
In the end, I don't think it would have made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, but should I have called a judge in this situation?
Just to answer this part, yes you should have called a judge. In any case where an effect was applied wrong, especially if you're not 100% sure what to do, it's best to have a judge handle it.
Okay. So just to clarify the nuances of Comp-REL play, I should have called a judge, it would have been to my advantage, and we would both would have received game play infractions. And the result would have allowed me to put Primeval Titan into play when resolving Dramatic Entrance.
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I cast Dramatic Entrance on my opponents end step. Opponent response with Vendilion Clique with Dramatic Entrance on the stack. I reveal a Primeval Titan and two copies of Sakura-tribe elder in my hand. Opponent chooses Primeval Titan, and I put it under my library. I then put STE into play to resolve dramatic entrance. We go to my turn, and my opponent tells that I never drew a card for Vendilion Clique. I then draw Primeval Titan with that draw (before my draw step).
In the end, I don't think it would have made a huge difference in the outcome of the game, but should I have called a judge in this situation?
If I did, what would have happened? Vendilion Clique's draw is not a "may" ability, so I should have drawn during its resolution, but didn't. I then, myself, decided to resolve Dramatic Entrance and change phases/turn. If we resolved Clique's ability correctly, I could have put Primeval Titan into play, as it was my next draw. Additionally, I drew the card and put it in my hand before realizing we did things out of order. Also note, I do not think this was intentional by the opponent.
Thanks!
You essentially did what a judge would have done. As long as the board state hasn't changed appreciably (and unless you cracked STE immediately it hasn't) the rewind to V-Clique's ability on the stack is trivial.
Your opponent would've gotten a GPE-GRV, you would've gotten a GPE-FtMGS, and you'd be there with a Prime Time in your hand and Dramatic Entrance on the stack in his end step.
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