Am I correct in assuming that Devoid is a characteristic defining ability that makes the spell/permanent in question always colourless? Or would Painter's Servant end up "colour hosing" things like Vile Aggregate?
You are partially correct. Devoid qualfies as Characteristic defining ability, but all that means is that it applies in every zone in the game not just the battlefield.
If painter's servant is on the battlefield all spells with be the colour that you chose when the servant ETB even if they have devoid.
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Found this in another thread. Response from willdice.
Devoid is a characteristic-defining ability, meaning it is always applied first, before any other color-defining effect.
613.1. The values of an object's characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:
613.1e. Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
613.2. Within layers 1-6, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first (see rule 604.3), then all other effects in timestamp order (see rule 613.6). Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a layer. (See rule 613.7.)
702.113a. Devoid is a characteristic-defining ability. "Devoid" means "This object is colorless." This ability functions everywhere, even outside the game. See rule 604.3.
So Painter's Servant will succeed on giving a color to a Devoid card like Barrage Tyrant. It won't be colorless anymore.
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Am I correct in assuming that Devoid is a characteristic defining ability that makes the spell/permanent in question always colourless? Or would Painter's Servant end up "colour hosing" things like Vile Aggregate?
Standard:
UR Ral Combo
Modern:
U Merfolk
R Goblins
Commander
RB Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
R Feldon of the Third Path
If painter's servant is on the battlefield all spells with be the colour that you chose when the servant ETB even if they have devoid.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
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Devoid is a characteristic-defining ability, meaning it is always applied first, before any other color-defining effect.
613.1. The values of an object's characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:
613.1e. Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
613.2. Within layers 1-6, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first (see rule 604.3), then all other effects in timestamp order (see rule 613.6). Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a layer. (See rule 613.7.)
702.113a. Devoid is a characteristic-defining ability. "Devoid" means "This object is colorless." This ability functions everywhere, even outside the game. See rule 604.3.
So Painter's Servant will succeed on giving a color to a Devoid card like Barrage Tyrant. It won't be colorless anymore.