I need a clarification on the rules in the following scenario:
Player A and Player B are both at 3 life each. Player A has Chain of Plasma in his hand and Player B has a Forest.
What happens if Player A casts Chain of Plasma targeting Player B? Does he win the game? Does Player B win the game if he decides to discard the Forest and copy Chain of Plasma?
I assume Player A wins the game, but I’m not completely sure. I did some research and found a rule that says that when you copy a spell you put the copy on the stack, but I couldn’t find anything that says if state based actions are checked before the copy starts resolving. I assume they are, but I’d like to know for sure.
State based actions are checked whenever a player would receive priority.
So yes, Player A would win the game in this situation.
The option to copy Chain of Plasma only happens as it is resolving, so Player B will have already been dealt 3 damage by the time he can copy the spell and it would be put on the stack. But before that spell could ever come close to resolving, the game sees Player B at 0 life, and he loses the game.
Player A wins. Chain of Plasma and the other cards of this cycle are a bit odd in regards to creating copies, because they copy themselves as they resolve as part of their effect. The copy is created above the original on the stack, but the original is already resolving and will continue to do so fully, then it's put into its owner's graveyard. Then state based actions are checked and player B loses the game, with his copy still on the stack.
State based actions are checked right before a player would receive priority (so after a apell has been cast, after an ability has been activated, after a spell/ability on the stack has finished resolving, after a special action has been taken, or when a step/phase where players get priority begins), and during the cleanup step.
I thought player A would win too but only because I assumed the copy would not enter the stack before the first chain of plasma finished resolving and state base actions checked.
Are there any other cases like this, when a spell resolves with another spell on the stack on top of it?
I thought player A would win too but only because I assumed the copy would not enter the stack before the first chain of plasma finished resolving and state base actions checked.
Are there any other cases like this, when a spell resolves with another spell on the stack on top of it?
Well, there is Panglacial Wurm that yuo cast while resolving another spell or ability.
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Are there any other cases like this, when a spell resolves with another spell on the stack on top of it?
Any spell/ability that allows the casting or copying of a spell during its own resolution. So even the simple copy spells like Reverberate and Twincast and their many variants result in this (they finish resolving while the copy they create is on top of them). Cards like Epic Experiment are more examples. The phenomenon is actually quite common.
Oh, I see. I thought this worked the same way as triggered abilities, in the sense that they needed to wait for a spell to finish resolving and a player getting priority in order to be put on the stack.
So let me see if I got this right: in case chain of plasma is cast and then copied many times, copies resolve in first in, first out order. Is this correct?
But cards cast with Epic Experiment resolve normally in last in, first out order. Correct?
Chain of Plasma copies itself as part of its effect, so the original spell starts resolving before the copy is created. Only one copy can be created per resolving spell, but the copy can then create another when it resolves, resulting in a chain of spells, hence the name. In this chain, there are at most two copies of the spell on the stack: the one currently resolving, and the copy it creates. By the time a player has priority, there is only one Chain on the stack: the next copy to resolve.
Spells cast with Epic Experiment are all on the stack when players get priority. The Experiment itself has finished resolving and left the stack at that time. Those spells are resolved in the normal fashion, top to bottom, with all players getting priority in between.
I need a clarification on the rules in the following scenario:
Player A and Player B are both at 3 life each. Player A has Chain of Plasma in his hand and Player B has a Forest.
What happens if Player A casts Chain of Plasma targeting Player B? Does he win the game? Does Player B win the game if he decides to discard the Forest and copy Chain of Plasma?
I assume Player A wins the game, but I’m not completely sure. I did some research and found a rule that says that when you copy a spell you put the copy on the stack, but I couldn’t find anything that says if state based actions are checked before the copy starts resolving. I assume they are, but I’d like to know for sure.
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So yes, Player A would win the game in this situation.
The option to copy Chain of Plasma only happens as it is resolving, so Player B will have already been dealt 3 damage by the time he can copy the spell and it would be put on the stack. But before that spell could ever come close to resolving, the game sees Player B at 0 life, and he loses the game.
Hope that helps.
State based actions are checked right before a player would receive priority (so after a apell has been cast, after an ability has been activated, after a spell/ability on the stack has finished resolving, after a special action has been taken, or when a step/phase where players get priority begins), and during the cleanup step.
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I thought player A would win too but only because I assumed the copy would not enter the stack before the first chain of plasma finished resolving and state base actions checked.
Are there any other cases like this, when a spell resolves with another spell on the stack on top of it?
Well, there is Panglacial Wurm that yuo cast while resolving another spell or ability.
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Any spell/ability that allows the casting or copying of a spell during its own resolution. So even the simple copy spells like Reverberate and Twincast and their many variants result in this (they finish resolving while the copy they create is on top of them). Cards like Epic Experiment are more examples. The phenomenon is actually quite common.
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(The Gamers: Dorkness Rising)
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
So let me see if I got this right: in case chain of plasma is cast and then copied many times, copies resolve in first in, first out order. Is this correct?
But cards cast with Epic Experiment resolve normally in last in, first out order. Correct?
Spells cast with Epic Experiment are all on the stack when players get priority. The Experiment itself has finished resolving and left the stack at that time. Those spells are resolved in the normal fashion, top to bottom, with all players getting priority in between.
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"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
Thank you very much.