4/8/2016 You announce how the damage will be divided as part of casting Avacyn’s Judgment. Each chosen target must receive at least 1 damage.
And the Rule in the CR:
601.2d If the spell requires the player to divide or distribute an effect (such as damage or counters) among one or more targets, the player announces the division. Each of these targets must receive at least one of whatever is being divided
No, you're limited to 2 targets if you're only dealing 2 damage, because of this rule :
601.2d. If the spell requires the player to divide or distribute an effect (such as damage or counters) among one or more targets, the player announces the division. Each of these targets must receive at least one of whatever is being divided.
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If Cauldron of Souls targets a creature (and Horobi is on the battlefield), will the creature return due to the Persist effect? I believe that when the player selects the target for Cauldron of Souls, Horobi's destruction effect would get added to the top of the stack, so the creature would be destroyed before Cauldron resolves (so the creature doesn't get Persist). Yes?
Hopefully I'm right about that one, as it seems fairly clear. But less clear would be Eerie Interlude ... If Horobi, Death's Wail is on the Battlefield, and I try to temporarily exile all my creatures with Eerie Interlude, will they return to the battlefield at the next endstep? To my mind, the answer hinges on whether or not the second sentence on Eerie Interlude applies only if the first sentence resolves correctly. The sentences seem to be independent, though. (Otherwise, should it read all as one sentence ... "Exile any number of target creatures you control, then return them...")
(Sorry for the tangent. I should have had Horobi in the Subject line instead of Avacyn)
If Cauldron of Souls targets a creature (and Horobi is on the battlefield), will the creature return due to the Persist effect? I believe that when the player selects the target for Cauldron of Souls, Horobi's destruction effect would get added to the top of the stack, so the creature would be destroyed before Cauldron resolves (so the creature doesn't get Persist). Yes?
Hopefully I'm right about that one, as it seems fairly clear.
You are correct as the ability on Horobi would trigger whilst you are activating the cauldron of souls, his ability will be on top of stack so have to resolve first. The creauter will be sacrificed and won't be coming back unless it naturally has persist or some other ability that would return it.
But less clear would be Eerie Interlude ... If Horobi, Death's Wail is on the Battlefield, and I try to temporarily exile all my creatures with Eerie Interlude, will they return to the battlefield at the next endstep? To my mind, the answer hinges on whether or not the second sentence on Eerie Interlude applies only if the first sentence resolves correctly. The sentences seem to be independent, though. (Otherwise, should it read all as one sentence ... "Exile any number of target creatures you control, then return them...")
(Sorry for the tangent. I should have had Horobi in the Subject line instead of Avacyn)
Here same as with the first question the creatures will be sacrificed to Horobi before eerie interlude resolves. So when Eerie interlude would come to resolve it is going to see that is ahs no legal targets and will be countered on resolution and none of its effects will occur.
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The trigger or triggers from Horobi will go on the stack above the spell or ability that triggered it and will always resolve first. The creature would be sacrificed before the Cauldron's ability or before the Interlude resolves, and they would not return due to persist/be exiled and returned at the end of turn.
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If Cauldron of Souls targets a creature (and Horobi is on the battlefield), will the creature return due to the Persist effect? I believe that when the player selects the target for Cauldron of Souls, Horobi's destruction effect would get added to the top of the stack, so the creature would be destroyed before Cauldron resolves (so the creature doesn't get Persist). Yes?
That's correct. The Horobi trigger would go on the stack after the Cauldron ability is put on the stack, so it will resolve first and the Cauldron trigger will be countered because its target is no longer on the battlefield.
Eerie Interlude ... If Horobi, Death's Wail is on the Battlefield, and I try to temporarily exile all my creatures with Eerie Interlude, will they return to the battlefield at the next endstep? To my mind, the answer hinges on whether or not the second sentence on Eerie Interlude applies only if the first sentence resolves correctly. The sentences seem to be independent, though. (Otherwise, should it read all as one sentence ... "Exile any number of target creatures you control, then return them...")
The same philosophy applies here. The Horobi trigger goes on the stack after the Erie Interlude, so it resolves first. The Eerie interlude can't resolve because all its targets are no longer there.
Edit: here's the ruling about resolving targeted spells:
608.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s no longer in the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally. Illegal targets, if any, won’t be affected by parts of a resolving spell’s effect for which they’re illegal. Other parts of the effect for which those targets are not illegal may still affect them. If the spell or ability creates any continuous effects that affect game rules (see rule 613.10), those effects don’t apply to illegal targets. If part of the effect requires information about an illegal target, it fails to determine any such information. Any part of the effect that requires that information won’t happen.
Here same as with the first question the creatures will be sacrificed to Horobi before eerie interlude resolves. So when Eerie interlude would come to resolve it is going to see that is ahs no legal targets and will be countered on resolution and none of its effects will occur.
That makes sense. No legal targets, so the spell is countered.
(I kind of feel like the card could have been worded better, though, due to the second sentence referring to "those cards". In any case, thanks again!)
If you have Pyromancer's Gauntlet in play, would you get to choose 4 targets, or would you still only get to choose 2 targets and deal 3 damage to each? Re: Avacyn's Judgment (not madnessed)
If you have Pyromancer's Gauntlet in play, would you get to choose 4 targets, or would you still only get to choose 2 targets and deal 3 damage to each? Re: Avacyn's Judgment (not madnessed)
The latter. The Gauntlet's effect only gets applied as Judgment resolves, it's not taken into account in advance as Judgment is cast and damage is divided. You can only choose 2 targets and assign 1 damage to each, and when Judgment resolves, it deals 3 to each target instead of 1.
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Is it legal to select 3 targets for the 2 damage? (And divide the damage up as 1, 1, 0.)
Asking to see how this card would interact with Horobi, Death's Wail.
And the Rule in the CR:
Also looking into other interactions with Horobi, Death's Wail:
If Cauldron of Souls targets a creature (and Horobi is on the battlefield), will the creature return due to the Persist effect? I believe that when the player selects the target for Cauldron of Souls, Horobi's destruction effect would get added to the top of the stack, so the creature would be destroyed before Cauldron resolves (so the creature doesn't get Persist). Yes?
Hopefully I'm right about that one, as it seems fairly clear. But less clear would be Eerie Interlude ... If Horobi, Death's Wail is on the Battlefield, and I try to temporarily exile all my creatures with Eerie Interlude, will they return to the battlefield at the next endstep? To my mind, the answer hinges on whether or not the second sentence on Eerie Interlude applies only if the first sentence resolves correctly. The sentences seem to be independent, though. (Otherwise, should it read all as one sentence ... "Exile any number of target creatures you control, then return them...")
(Sorry for the tangent. I should have had Horobi in the Subject line instead of Avacyn)
You are correct as the ability on Horobi would trigger whilst you are activating the cauldron of souls, his ability will be on top of stack so have to resolve first. The creauter will be sacrificed and won't be coming back unless it naturally has persist or some other ability that would return it.
Here same as with the first question the creatures will be sacrificed to Horobi before eerie interlude resolves. So when Eerie interlude would come to resolve it is going to see that is ahs no legal targets and will be countered on resolution and none of its effects will occur.
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That's correct. The Horobi trigger would go on the stack after the Cauldron ability is put on the stack, so it will resolve first and the Cauldron trigger will be countered because its target is no longer on the battlefield.
The same philosophy applies here. The Horobi trigger goes on the stack after the Erie Interlude, so it resolves first. The Eerie interlude can't resolve because all its targets are no longer there.
Edit: here's the ruling about resolving targeted spells:
That makes sense. No legal targets, so the spell is countered.
(I kind of feel like the card could have been worded better, though, due to the second sentence referring to "those cards". In any case, thanks again!)