As I said in the title, I am new to magic and just have some questions on Bane of Bala Ged
So I alredy think it is really powerful. it is rather cheap (with proper use of scions) and is extremely good. I do not think it needs any buffs, but I am just confused on why it says "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls", and why it says "Bane of bala ged" instead of "this creature"
So wouldn't this mean that if I had two Bane of Bala Ged and I attack with only one of them (lets say I just cast one this turn and it has summoning sickness), doesn't that mean that the defending player would have to exile 4 permanents, as I have two active abilities, which both make bane of bala ged exile two permanents. And if I were to attack with both, then defending player would have to exile 8 permanents.
The way I see it, the second Bane of Bala Ged could just be a random creature, say, a blister pod but somehow I gave it Bane of Bala Ged's ability, so that "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls" This would mean that if I had a creature called Bane of Bala Ged, Bane of Bala Ged would get to exile two permanents, on top of the two permanents it is already exiling (equaling 4 permanents, in case you don't know how to add two and two)
I already believe this is not the case, but I just want to know why that is
As I said in the title, I am new to magic and just have some questions on Bane of Bala Ged
So I alredy think it is really powerful. it is rather cheap (with proper use of scions) and is extremely good. I do not think it needs any buffs, but I am just confused on why it says "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls", and why it says "Bane of bala ged" instead of "this creature"
So wouldn't this mean that if I had two Bane of Bala Ged and I attack with only one of them (lets say I just cast one this turn and it has summoning sickness), doesn't that mean that the defending player would have to exile 4 permanents, as I have two active abilities, which both make bane of bala ged exile two permanents. And if I were to attack with both, then defending player would have to exile 8 permanents.
No , just two permanents.
Because this ability is equivalent to "Whenever this creature attackks" , from this Rule.
201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
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Yes , I was Rules Advisor.
Obviously , English is not my first Language (sorry about that ).
The way I see it, the second Bane of Bala Ged could just be a random creature, say, a blister pod but somehow I gave it Bane of Bala Ged's ability, so that "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls" This would mean that if I had a creature called Bane of Bala Ged, Bane of Bala Ged would get to exile two permanents, on top of the two permanents it is already exiling (equaling 4 permanents, in case you don't know how to add two and two)
You need this Rule.
201.4b If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
Example: Quicksilver Elemental says, in part, “{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn.” If it gains an ability that says “{G}: Regenerate Cudgel Troll,” activating that ability will regenerate Quicksilver Elemental, not the Cudgel Troll it gained the ability from.
Example: Glacial Ray is an instant with “splice onto Arcane” that says “Glacial Ray deals 2 damage to target creature or player.” If it’s spliced onto a Kodama’s Reach, that Kodama’s Reach deals 2 damage to the target creature or player.
Example: Dimir Doppelganger says “{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Dimir Doppelganger becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.” Dimir Doppelganger’s ability is activated targeting a Runeclaw Bear card. The Doppelganger becomes a copy of Runeclaw Bear and gains an ability that should be treated as saying “{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Runeclaw Bear becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.”
If Blisterpod somehow get Bane of Bala ged's ability , so this ability function like "Whenever Blisterpod attacks,{effect}".
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Yes , I was Rules Advisor.
Obviously , English is not my first Language (sorry about that ).
...and why it says "Bane of bala ged" instead of "this creature"
I think there's something worth adding to pok_annet's answer. The reason why cards refer to themselves by name when they really mean "this permanent" is flavour driven. Having cards refer to themselves by name is more evocative. It makes you consider the creature from a lore perspective, rather than just as a card with some game mechanics printed on it. Wizards feel that this is the correct decision on their part, and is worth some occasional confusion (the current Rules Manager, Matt Tabak, has fielded this question a couple of times on his Tumblr blog).
Question answered. This forum isn't really the right place to suggest and discuss templating changes, try WotC's official Tumblr blogs.
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So I alredy think it is really powerful. it is rather cheap (with proper use of scions) and is extremely good. I do not think it needs any buffs, but I am just confused on why it says "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls", and why it says "Bane of bala ged" instead of "this creature"
So wouldn't this mean that if I had two Bane of Bala Ged and I attack with only one of them (lets say I just cast one this turn and it has summoning sickness), doesn't that mean that the defending player would have to exile 4 permanents, as I have two active abilities, which both make bane of bala ged exile two permanents. And if I were to attack with both, then defending player would have to exile 8 permanents.
The way I see it, the second Bane of Bala Ged could just be a random creature, say, a blister pod but somehow I gave it Bane of Bala Ged's ability, so that "whenever Bane of Bala Ged attacks, defending player exiles two permanents he or she controls" This would mean that if I had a creature called Bane of Bala Ged, Bane of Bala Ged would get to exile two permanents, on top of the two permanents it is already exiling (equaling 4 permanents, in case you don't know how to add two and two)
I already believe this is not the case, but I just want to know why that is
No , just two permanents.
Because this ability is equivalent to "Whenever this creature attackks" , from this Rule.
201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
Obviously , English is not my first Language (sorry about that
You need this Rule.
201.4b If an ability of an object refers to that object by name, and an object with a different name gains that ability, each instance of the first name in the gained ability that refers to the first object by name should be treated as the second name.
Example: Quicksilver Elemental says, in part, “{U}: Quicksilver Elemental gains all activated abilities of target creature until end of turn.” If it gains an ability that says “{G}: Regenerate Cudgel Troll,” activating that ability will regenerate Quicksilver Elemental, not the Cudgel Troll it gained the ability from.
Example: Glacial Ray is an instant with “splice onto Arcane” that says “Glacial Ray deals 2 damage to target creature or player.” If it’s spliced onto a Kodama’s Reach, that Kodama’s Reach deals 2 damage to the target creature or player.
Example: Dimir Doppelganger says “{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Dimir Doppelganger becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.” Dimir Doppelganger’s ability is activated targeting a Runeclaw Bear card. The Doppelganger becomes a copy of Runeclaw Bear and gains an ability that should be treated as saying “{1}{U}{B}: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Runeclaw Bear becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.”
If Blisterpod somehow get Bane of Bala ged's ability , so this ability function like "Whenever Blisterpod attacks,{effect}".
Obviously , English is not my first Language (sorry about that
I think there's something worth adding to pok_annet's answer. The reason why cards refer to themselves by name when they really mean "this permanent" is flavour driven. Having cards refer to themselves by name is more evocative. It makes you consider the creature from a lore perspective, rather than just as a card with some game mechanics printed on it. Wizards feel that this is the correct decision on their part, and is worth some occasional confusion (the current Rules Manager, Matt Tabak, has fielded this question a couple of times on his Tumblr blog).
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