You cast Engulf. Opponent casts Anticipate. Thing triggers. Stack currently looks like:
Thing trigger
Anticipate
Engulf the Shore
First thing to resolve is Thing's trigger. The last counter gets removed, Thing is transformed, Awoken Horror's ability triggers. By the time Engulf gets to resolve, Awoken Horror and its 8 toughness get to stay on the board.
If the spells were cast in reverse order, Thing would end up bounced. After the spells are cast, the stack would look like this:
Engulf
Thing trigger
Anticipate
So Engulf resolves before Thing can transform, so it will be bounced when Engulf resolves. When the Thing trigger resolves, since Thing is no longer there, it can't be transformed, so no further bounceage occurs.
You cast Engulf. Opponent casts Anticipate. Thing triggers. Stack currently looks like:
Thing trigger
Anticipate
Engulf the Shore
First thing to resolve is Thing's trigger. The last counter gets removed, Thing is transformed, Awoken Horror's ability triggers. By the time Engulf gets to resolve, Awoken Horror and its 8 toughness get to stay on the board.
If the spells were cast in reverse order, Thing would end up bounced. After the spells are cast, the stack would look like this:
Engulf
Thing trigger
Anticipate
So Engulf resolves before Thing can transform, so it will be bounced when Engulf resolves. When the Thing trigger resolves, since Thing is no longer there, it can't be transformed, so no further bounceage occurs.
"same basic result"? The results are completely different, lol. In the first case it flips and isn't bounced. In the second, it is.
I have one question about the first scenario though. What if I Negate their Anticipate? Does thing still flips anyways?
You cast Engulf. Opponent casts Anticipate. Thing triggers. Stack currently looks like:
Thing trigger
Anticipate
Engulf the Shore
First thing to resolve is Thing's trigger. The last counter gets removed, Thing is transformed, Awoken Horror's ability triggers. By the time Engulf gets to resolve, Awoken Horror and its 8 toughness get to stay on the board.
If the spells were cast in reverse order, Thing would end up bounced. After the spells are cast, the stack would look like this:
Engulf
Thing trigger
Anticipate
So Engulf resolves before Thing can transform, so it will be bounced when Engulf resolves. When the Thing trigger resolves, since Thing is no longer there, it can't be transformed, so no further bounceage occurs.
"same basic result"? The results are completely different, lol. In the first case it flips and isn't bounced. In the second, it is.
I meant "same basic result" as in "same basic result that HyrdrogenOutlet gave".
I have one question about the first scenario though. What if I Negate their Anticipate? Does thing still flips anyways?
It does. Thing only cares that the spell was cast, it doesn't care whether or not the spell resolves.
You cast Engulf. Opponent casts Anticipate. Thing triggers. Stack currently looks like:
Thing trigger
Anticipate
Engulf the Shore
First thing to resolve is Thing's trigger. The last counter gets removed, Thing is transformed, Awoken Horror's ability triggers. By the time Engulf gets to resolve, Awoken Horror and its 8 toughness get to stay on the board.
If the spells were cast in reverse order, Thing would end up bounced. After the spells are cast, the stack would look like this:
Engulf
Thing trigger
Anticipate
So Engulf resolves before Thing can transform, so it will be bounced when Engulf resolves. When the Thing trigger resolves, since Thing is no longer there, it can't be transformed, so no further bounceage occurs.
"same basic result"? The results are completely different, lol. In the first case it flips and isn't bounced. In the second, it is.
I have one question about the first scenario though. What if I Negate their Anticipate? Does thing still flips anyways?
Btw, thanks Wolfaxe and Arix
Yes, in this scenario the stack is:
Negate -> Anticipte
Thing in the Ice Trigger
Anticipate
Engulf
Triggered abilities are independent of the spell that triggered them. Once they're on the stack it doesn't matter what happens to whatever triggered them. The only way to stop it would be to cast something like Stifle which lets you specifically counter a triggered ability.
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(1) a Thing in the ice with 1 counter on my opponent's field
(2) I play a Engulf the Shore with 5 islands
(3) in answer, they play Anticipate
(4) what happens?
(5) what happens if (2) and (3) become inversed?
Anyone else?
You cast Engulf. Opponent casts Anticipate. Thing triggers. Stack currently looks like:
Thing trigger
Anticipate
Engulf the Shore
First thing to resolve is Thing's trigger. The last counter gets removed, Thing is transformed, Awoken Horror's ability triggers. By the time Engulf gets to resolve, Awoken Horror and its 8 toughness get to stay on the board.
If the spells were cast in reverse order, Thing would end up bounced. After the spells are cast, the stack would look like this:
Engulf
Thing trigger
Anticipate
So Engulf resolves before Thing can transform, so it will be bounced when Engulf resolves. When the Thing trigger resolves, since Thing is no longer there, it can't be transformed, so no further bounceage occurs.
In your alternative scenario Engulf is the first thing to resolve since it was payed last and will bounce Thing since it's toughness is 4.
"same basic result"? The results are completely different, lol. In the first case it flips and isn't bounced. In the second, it is.
I have one question about the first scenario though. What if I Negate their Anticipate? Does thing still flips anyways?
Btw, thanks Wolfaxe and Arix
It does. Thing only cares that the spell was cast, it doesn't care whether or not the spell resolves.
Quite welcome.
Yes, in this scenario the stack is:
Negate -> Anticipte
Thing in the Ice Trigger
Anticipate
Engulf
Triggered abilities are independent of the spell that triggered them. Once they're on the stack it doesn't matter what happens to whatever triggered them. The only way to stop it would be to cast something like Stifle which lets you specifically counter a triggered ability.