Making a thread here to get some help clarifying how Chaos Warp interacts with your commander due to some contradictory statements in the banlist discussion thread for EDH.
I was under the impression that if you Chaos Warp a commander and the effected player chooses to put their commander in the command zone you wouldn't shuffle your library due to that event being replaced but you would still reveal the top card and perhaps put it on the battlefield. Allwing you to Enlightened Tutor for Omniscience or something in response to the Chaos Warp
There is an argument that the change of 701.16d from:
701.16d If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, and a replacement or prevention effect causes all such objects to be moved to another zone instead, that library isn't shuffled.
to
701.16d If an effect would cause a player to shuffle a set of objects into a library, that library is shuffled even if there are no objects in that set.
would mean the player would still shuffle the library. I am of the opinion that that rule is more for cases such as using Primal Command on an empty library and since the entire event of shuffling the commander into the library is replaced the library wouldn't get shuffled. The effect to shuffle a set of objects doesn't even occur since it is replaced.
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The rule that matters for this situation is the one right above the one you quoted:
701.16c If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, that
library is shuffled even if none of those objects are in the zone they’re expected to be in or an
effect causes all of those objects to be moved to another zone or remain in their current zone.
So, the library s still shuffled in the case of the Commander being sent to the Command Zone off Chaos Warp.
The rule that matters for this situation is the one right above the one you quoted:
701.16c If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, that
library is shuffled even if none of those objects are in the zone they’re expected to be in or an
effect causes all of those objects to be moved to another zone or remain in their current zone.
So, the library s still shuffled in the case of the Commander being sent to the Command Zone off Chaos Warp.
Ahh, don't know how I managed to miss that part, Thanks!
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I was under the impression that if you Chaos Warp a commander and the effected player chooses to put their commander in the command zone you wouldn't shuffle your library due to that event being replaced but you would still reveal the top card and perhaps put it on the battlefield. Allwing you to Enlightened Tutor for Omniscience or something in response to the Chaos Warp
There is an argument that the change of 701.16d from:
701.16d If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, and a replacement or prevention effect causes all such objects to be moved to another zone instead, that library isn't shuffled.
to
701.16d If an effect would cause a player to shuffle a set of objects into a library, that library is shuffled even if there are no objects in that set.
would mean the player would still shuffle the library. I am of the opinion that that rule is more for cases such as using Primal Command on an empty library and since the entire event of shuffling the commander into the library is replaced the library wouldn't get shuffled. The effect to shuffle a set of objects doesn't even occur since it is replaced.
So, who is correct and what happens?
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So, the library s still shuffled in the case of the Commander being sent to the Command Zone off Chaos Warp.
Ahh, don't know how I managed to miss that part, Thanks!
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