I’ve just finished my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant commander deck, which incorporates a high degree of shenanigans. Among them is this combo that will [almost always] mill my entire deck; however the stack is a little complex, so I want to make sure I’ve parsed it out properly, to avoid annoying my opponents. With Sidisi in play, I’ll also control Cephalid Illusionist and Shadow Alley Denizen. When I have one zombie token (or any other black creature) come into play, Shadow Alley Denizen will trigger, which I’ll target on Cephalid Illusionist. His ability will then trigger, causing me to mill myself three cards. I’ll most likely mill one creature card among them (since the deck is almost all creatures & lands), creating another zombie token via Sidisi, which will cause the Denizen to trigger again, et cetera, ad infinitum.
Furthermore, I have the blue, black, and green Incarnations from Lorwyn in the deck, to allow me to never mill myself down to zero. E.g. Dread The crux of the issue is whether or not I can stack the triggers appropriately to not have to interrupt my cycle to reshuffle my deck each time I hit an Incarnation. Here’s my reasoning: when I mill the first Incarnation, both itself and Sidisi will trigger upon it entering the graveyard. I can stack the triggers how I so choose, so I’ll put the Incarnation on first, then Sidisi on top. Hers will resolve, creating a zombie token, which triggers the denizen again, etc. So, I should be able to continue the cycle with the Incarnation on the bottom of the stack & then just let it resolve when I’m finished. Otherwise, as I get closer & closer to the bottom of my deck, I’ll be having to shuffle a small number of cards over & over until I weed out everything except the three Incarnations. I want to avoid doing that & wasting everyone’s time if at all possible.
My only uncertainty is the minutia of how Sidisi’s second trigger is worded: “Whenever one or more creature cards are…” So, does the ability trigger when the first creature of the milling event happens, and then ignores any subsequent one, or does it wait until the end of the milling event and then look back to see if one or more creatures were milled? Depending on that, it may actually be relevant the order of the 3 cards I mill. E.g. if I mill Dread first, then 2 more creatures, I can stack them how I want. But if I mill 2 creatures then Dread, her ability may trigger first, then Dread’s, which will force me to shuffle it back before proceeding. Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks.
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My Commander Decks B Maga, Traitor to Mortals B U Arcum Dagsson U BG Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord GB U Talrand, Sky Summoner U WB Ghost Council of Orzhova BW WBR Oros, the Avenger RBW UBR Gwendlyn Di Corci RBU R Zirilan of the Claw R G Kaysa G UG Vorel of the Hull Clade GU WR Anax and Cymede RW WUBRG Cromat GRBUW WU Brago, King Eternal UW UBG Sidisi, Brood Tyrant GB[U
Thank you sir, that essentially tells me what I need to know. Perhaps I was over-thinking it, because I'd run afoul of corner-cases in the past where abilities trigger inside other spells or effects resolving. However, I think you're right in that the order is irrelevant, since no matter when they trigger, they aren't actually put onto the stack until I receive priority. Thanks much.
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My Commander Decks B Maga, Traitor to Mortals B U Arcum Dagsson U BG Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord GB U Talrand, Sky Summoner U WB Ghost Council of Orzhova BW WBR Oros, the Avenger RBW UBR Gwendlyn Di Corci RBU R Zirilan of the Claw R G Kaysa G UG Vorel of the Hull Clade GU WR Anax and Cymede RW WUBRG Cromat GRBUW WU Brago, King Eternal UW UBG Sidisi, Brood Tyrant GB[U
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Furthermore, I have the blue, black, and green Incarnations from Lorwyn in the deck, to allow me to never mill myself down to zero. E.g. Dread The crux of the issue is whether or not I can stack the triggers appropriately to not have to interrupt my cycle to reshuffle my deck each time I hit an Incarnation. Here’s my reasoning: when I mill the first Incarnation, both itself and Sidisi will trigger upon it entering the graveyard. I can stack the triggers how I so choose, so I’ll put the Incarnation on first, then Sidisi on top. Hers will resolve, creating a zombie token, which triggers the denizen again, etc. So, I should be able to continue the cycle with the Incarnation on the bottom of the stack & then just let it resolve when I’m finished. Otherwise, as I get closer & closer to the bottom of my deck, I’ll be having to shuffle a small number of cards over & over until I weed out everything except the three Incarnations. I want to avoid doing that & wasting everyone’s time if at all possible.
My only uncertainty is the minutia of how Sidisi’s second trigger is worded: “Whenever one or more creature cards are…” So, does the ability trigger when the first creature of the milling event happens, and then ignores any subsequent one, or does it wait until the end of the milling event and then look back to see if one or more creatures were milled? Depending on that, it may actually be relevant the order of the 3 cards I mill. E.g. if I mill Dread first, then 2 more creatures, I can stack them how I want. But if I mill 2 creatures then Dread, her ability may trigger first, then Dread’s, which will force me to shuffle it back before proceeding. Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks.
B Maga, Traitor to Mortals B
U Arcum Dagsson U
BG Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord GB
U Talrand, Sky Summoner U
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova BW
WBR Oros, the Avenger RBW
UBR Gwendlyn Di Corci RBU
R Zirilan of the Claw R
G Kaysa G
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade GU
WR Anax and Cymede RW
WUBRG Cromat GRBUW
WU Brago, King Eternal UW
UBG Sidisi, Brood Tyrant GB[U
B Maga, Traitor to Mortals B
U Arcum Dagsson U
BG Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord GB
U Talrand, Sky Summoner U
WB Ghost Council of Orzhova BW
WBR Oros, the Avenger RBW
UBR Gwendlyn Di Corci RBU
R Zirilan of the Claw R
G Kaysa G
UG Vorel of the Hull Clade GU
WR Anax and Cymede RW
WUBRG Cromat GRBUW
WU Brago, King Eternal UW
UBG Sidisi, Brood Tyrant GB[U