Your creature would be a 2/2 creature without undying. We apply effects that set a creature's power and toughness before effects that raise or lower it without setting it to a specific number, so we apply Turn to Frog first (making it a 1/1), then the bonus from Mikaeus (making it a 2/2). Since Turn to Frog was cast after Mikaeus entered the battlefield, it has a later timestamp and it won't have undying.
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Scientists have calculated that the chance of anything so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Your creature would be a 2/2 creature without undying. We apply effects that set a creature's power and toughness before effects that raise or lower it without setting it to a specific number, so we apply Turn to Frog first (making it a 1/1), then the bonus from Mikaeus (making it a 2/2). Since Turn to Frog was cast after Mikaeus entered the battlefield, it has a later timestamp and it won't have undying.
Thanks for your answer.
I thought that the frog would get both of the abilities given by Mikeaus. But, that is why you are here
So when the Reaver/Frog dies in combat vs the Dread Slaver, does it go under the control of my opponent once turn to frog's effect stops? I just want to make sure that I understand what you are telling me.
Your creature would be a 2/2 creature without undying. We apply effects that set a creature's power and toughness before effects that raise or lower it without setting it to a specific number, so we apply Turn to Frog first (making it a 1/1), then the bonus from Mikaeus (making it a 2/2). Since Turn to Frog was cast after Mikaeus entered the battlefield, it has a later timestamp and it won't have undying.
Thanks for your answer.
I thought that the frog would get both of the abilities given by Mikeaus. But, that is why you are here
So when the Reaver/Frog dies in combat vs the Dread Slaver, does it go under the control of my opponent once turn to frog's effect stops? I just want to make sure that I understand what you are telling me.
Thanks,
V.V.
Yes, the point Natedogg was making is that Turn to Frog and Mikaeus both have abilities that apply in the same layer, so whichever has the later timestamp wins out. In this case, Mikaeus was in play before the Turn to Frog was cast, hence it's ability applies, then you apply turn to Frog, which removes the undying ability.
Your creature would be a 2/2 creature without undying. We apply effects that set a creature's power and toughness before effects that raise or lower it without setting it to a specific number, so we apply Turn to Frog first (making it a 1/1), then the bonus from Mikaeus (making it a 2/2). Since Turn to Frog was cast after Mikaeus entered the battlefield, it has a later timestamp and it won't have undying.
Thanks for your answer.
I thought that the frog would get both of the abilities given by Mikeaus. But, that is why you are here
So when the Reaver/Frog dies in combat vs the Dread Slaver, does it go under the control of my opponent once turn to frog's effect stops? I just want to make sure that I understand what you are telling me.
Thanks,
V.V.
Yes, the point Natedogg was making is that Turn to Frog and Mikaeus both have abilities that apply in the same layer, so whichever has the later timestamp wins out. In this case, Mikaeus was in play before the Turn to Frog was cast, hence it's ability applies, then you apply turn to Frog, which removes the undying ability.
Thanks so much for clarifying the issue. It is appreciated.
And even if it had had undying it should have returned under the opponents control.
Both Dread Slaver and undying would trigger as the creature dies. They get put on the stack i apnap order so since it's your turn you would be the active player followed by you opponent. the dread slaver trigger would be at the top of the stack and resolve first putting it into play under his or hers control and the undying trigger would not find the creature in the graveyard and "fizzle"
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And even if it had had undying it should have returned under the opponents control.
Both Dread Slaver and undying would trigger as the creature dies. They get put on the stack i apnap order so since it's your turn you would be the active player followed by you opponent. the dread slaver trigger would be at the top of the stack and resolve first putting it into play under his or hers control and the undying trigger would not find the creature in the graveyard and "fizzle"
Thanks for the explanation. I was being confused by Mikeaus' ability specifying that the creature was supposed to return under it's owner's contorl. But, I understand now why the Dread slaver gets the creature thanks to you.
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I have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed on the battle field.
Since my Reaver becomes a frog, does the frog have +1/+1 and undying? Does he still get owner ship of it or what happens?
Scientists have calculated that the chance of anything so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Thanks for your answer.
I thought that the frog would get both of the abilities given by Mikeaus. But, that is why you are here
So when the Reaver/Frog dies in combat vs the Dread Slaver, does it go under the control of my opponent once turn to frog's effect stops? I just want to make sure that I understand what you are telling me.
Thanks,
V.V.
Yes, the point Natedogg was making is that Turn to Frog and Mikaeus both have abilities that apply in the same layer, so whichever has the later timestamp wins out. In this case, Mikaeus was in play before the Turn to Frog was cast, hence it's ability applies, then you apply turn to Frog, which removes the undying ability.
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Thanks so much for clarifying the issue. It is appreciated.
V.V.
Both Dread Slaver and undying would trigger as the creature dies. They get put on the stack i apnap order so since it's your turn you would be the active player followed by you opponent. the dread slaver trigger would be at the top of the stack and resolve first putting it into play under his or hers control and the undying trigger would not find the creature in the graveyard and "fizzle"
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Thanks for the explanation. I was being confused by Mikeaus' ability specifying that the creature was supposed to return under it's owner's contorl. But, I understand now why the Dread slaver gets the creature thanks to you.
V.Vé