So I had a judge rule against my understanding of this interaction.
Could you lovely people please help me out?
So lets say my opponent has a Counterbalance with in play.
I play a card with an alternate cost, lets say Ingot Chewer for it's evoke cost.
My opponent shows the top card of their library as a 1-cmc card.
What happens next?
Nothing happens. Ingot Chewer's converted mana cost is still 5, not 1.
A card's Converted Mana Cost is derived from its Mana Cost. A card's Mana Cost is the set of symbols found on its top-right corner (or top-left on the futureshifted frame). Alternate costs are costs you pay instead of the Mana Cost, but they don't change the card's Converted Mana Cost.
202.3. The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color.
Example: A mana cost of {3}{U}{U} translates to a converted mana cost of 5.
202.1. A card's mana cost is indicated by mana symbols near the top of the card. (See rule 107.4.) On most cards, these symbols are printed in the upper right corner. Some cards from the Future Sight set have alternate frames in which the mana symbols appear to the left of the illustration.
117.9. Some spells have alternative costs. An alternative cost is a cost listed in a spell's text, or applied to it from another effect, that its controller may pay rather than paying the spell's mana cost. Alternative costs are usually phrased, "You may [action] rather than pay [this object's] mana cost," or "You may cast [this object] without paying its mana cost." Note that some alternative costs are listed in keywords; see rule 702.
117.9c. An alternative cost doesn't change a spell's mana cost, only what its controller has to pay to cast it. Spells and abilities that ask for that spell's mana cost still see the original value.
Alternative costs doesn't change the spell's mana cost, and converted mana cost comes from the mana cost not from the total cost of the spell, therefore alternative costs don't change the converted mana cost. The judge should know that.
So I had a judge rule against my understanding of this interaction.
Could you lovely people please help me out?
So lets say my opponent has a Counterbalance with in play.
I play a card with an alternate cost, lets say Ingot Chewer for it's evoke cost.
My opponent shows the top card of their library as a 1-cmc card.
What happens next?
Thanks in advance.
A card's Converted Mana Cost is derived from its Mana Cost. A card's Mana Cost is the set of symbols found on its top-right corner (or top-left on the futureshifted frame). Alternate costs are costs you pay instead of the Mana Cost, but they don't change the card's Converted Mana Cost.
...but I got ruled against, so I thought it would be a good idea to check here.
Thanks.
202.3. The converted mana cost of an object is a number equal to the total amount of mana in its mana cost, regardless of color.
Example: A mana cost of {3}{U}{U} translates to a converted mana cost of 5.
202.1. A card's mana cost is indicated by mana symbols near the top of the card. (See rule 107.4.) On most cards, these symbols are printed in the upper right corner. Some cards from the Future Sight set have alternate frames in which the mana symbols appear to the left of the illustration.
117.9. Some spells have alternative costs. An alternative cost is a cost listed in a spell's text, or applied to it from another effect, that its controller may pay rather than paying the spell's mana cost. Alternative costs are usually phrased, "You may [action] rather than pay [this object's] mana cost," or "You may cast [this object] without paying its mana cost." Note that some alternative costs are listed in keywords; see rule 702.
117.9c. An alternative cost doesn't change a spell's mana cost, only what its controller has to pay to cast it. Spells and abilities that ask for that spell's mana cost still see the original value.
Alternative costs doesn't change the spell's mana cost, and converted mana cost comes from the mana cost not from the total cost of the spell, therefore alternative costs don't change the converted mana cost. The judge should know that.
Appreciate the time and effort!