Do any of you think wizards will make PostModern a format? Using all cards with the new border?
There is already Legacy, Modern, Standard, EDH, and some fringe formats. Having the addition of a "Post Modern" format will cause a massive split in the playerbase, not to mention piss off Modern players. I see almost no chance of this happening. Though in 10 years, anything could happen.
I agree with everything that has been said so far and would like to say that if they do another format down the road newer players will be more likely to have staples and the format would have some variation compared to modern which pretty sees the same decks do really well with little room for new decks to prosper and a very high power level cards need to exceed to be considered playable so the format would be kept a close eye to try and keep balanced. Any overly powered card in modern card equivalent in the new format should be expected to not exist if wotc wants to makes a new format and keep it balanced which is the same reason that cards don't get overly powerful, that or they just get banned
I kind of wish that a middle format between Standard and Modern such as Extended were still around. There could have been some bonkers strategies between Innistrad block cards and Theros block cards (not to mention card synergies between Scars block and RtR block) that will never see the light of day because they aren't quite good enough for Modern.
Wizards probably realizes that too many formats is bad for the game, so we won't get a new format until another one goes the way of the dinosaur -- unless the game expands to such an extend that it could thrive with an additional format.
With the announcement of Origins I can totally see this happening, but it won't be "Postmodern"; it will most likely be called Origins format. It will include no earlier than the border switch, but it might not include M15 or any of KTK block. Could you imagine an eternal format with no fetches/shocks? That would be much friendlier to new players and monocolor strategies. I think we'll see at least enough cards in the new borders/rotation for Extended to get a few years to try and live again before another eternal format is created. I would say we'll see something most definitely in a decade.
If legacy dies, and modern goes down then maybe in 10 years. Right now with Wizards design being what it its "post modern" would be a super standard, were modern is thought of a legacy lite by many. This isn't any better, and would still leave many players unhappy.
I think they would only do this if they wanted to replace Modern outright. Seeing as Modern is a trainwreck*, I think there is a chance that will happen. Not in the near future by any means, but I think it may be on the cards someday.
*Banned list longer than your arm? Things bouncing on and off of said banlist? Said banlist being designed to keep overpowered cards and combos in check, and the resulting format being nonetheless dominated by an overpowered Rock deck and a blue-red combo deck? Massively divisive among casual and competitive players, including being seen as an insult by some Legacy and Vintage players? Check, check, check and check.
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I think they will start rotating sets out of modern before they create another format, Extended 2.O. I hope they keep things the way they are extended sucked very few players played back then. I think they will keep flooding cards in modern through reprints and Modern Master sets. I give it about 20 percent chance since 10 years from now is a long time and anything could happen.
As long as the player base continues to grow, I think they will either have to create another format or drastically change how reprints are handled. Over ten years there's a very real risk of modern becoming too inaccessible, and I don't think the new block structure will mitigate it, particularly when they continue to (on average) power down non-creature non-plainswalker spells.
As long as the player base continues to grow, I think they will either have to create another format or drastically change how reprints are handled. Over ten years there's a very real risk of modern becoming too inaccessible, and I don't think the new block structure will mitigate it, particularly when they continue to (on average) power down non-creature non-plainswalker spells.
I agree, I don't think wizards wants modern to become Vintage 1.5 were only the older players and wealthy players will be able to play in the format.
Eh, I can't see another format being created to run alongside Standard, Modern, Legacy, Vintage, and EDH.
Also, I'm pretty sure a postmodern format would just involve all of us sounding like first-year philosophy students.
But seriously, the only reason Modern exists is because Extended failed. Extended failed because they went from 7-9 years to 4 years. Unless Modern fails, they probably won't come up with another format.
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I think it only works if one of the current formats fail. But with FNM now being able to be literally anything you want it to be you could always try and get your shop to create its own format for FNM like a "new modern". That sounds pretty fun actually since it won't be solved at all.
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Working with "your own format" was the reason why EDH (and to an extent Tiny Leaders) are actually formats to begin with, so you can create whatever format you want, run with it, and if it grows enough, it will become a format that is supported by WotC. Wouldn't hurt to try at least. Hell, you can just run with it with friends if you feel it puts everyone on an equal-ish playing field. We do that with our playgroup, roughly playing with cards that are Innistrad-up as that's the main era of cards that the majority of us have. This way we can all have fun together, and we're not trying to "out-pocketbook" each other.
I dont consider EDH and Tiny Leaders as formats. The only really played formats are Legacy, Modern, Standard, and limited (draft and sealed). I foresee Legacy being pushed out or given to say SCG to worry about the ban list and such like EDH, leaving Modern, Standard, and limited as the only Wotc sanctioned formats. If/when this happens they should put another format between Modern and Standard. But it wont be for some time. I would say 10 years would be optimistic.
Eventually there will be a new format. 10 years is a long time and anything could happen. I'm certainly not holding my breath. Eventually I do expect that modern will be axed in favor of a new format without a lot of mistake type cards included at least in WotC's eyes (entire modern banned list, splinter twin, storm, etc. etc. are all mistakes to them at this point I expect.)
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There is already Legacy, Modern, Standard, EDH, and some fringe formats. Having the addition of a "Post Modern" format will cause a massive split in the playerbase, not to mention piss off Modern players. I see almost no chance of this happening. Though in 10 years, anything could happen.
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Wizards probably realizes that too many formats is bad for the game, so we won't get a new format until another one goes the way of the dinosaur -- unless the game expands to such an extend that it could thrive with an additional format.
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Also, I'm pretty sure a postmodern format would just involve all of us sounding like first-year philosophy students.
But seriously, the only reason Modern exists is because Extended failed. Extended failed because they went from 7-9 years to 4 years. Unless Modern fails, they probably won't come up with another format.
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