Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Vendilion Clique (70), Mox Opal (50), Wurmcoil engine (25), dark depths (50), Tarmogoyf (1000000?? probably? i dont really care enough to know), liliana of the veil (65), fetches (45-85ish), All really expensive and even having some of those cards and having paid half what they are worth now and honestly i felt like they were too much then. most are definitley overpriced. Liliana is the only one i would pay for and not feel like it was too much.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can not find what you need.
Vendilion Clique (70), Mox Opal (50), Wurmcoil engine (25), dark depths (50), Tarmogoyf (1000000?? probably? i dont really care enough to know), liliana of the veil (65), fetches (45-85ish), All really expensive and even having some of those cards and having paid half what they are worth now and honestly i felt like they were too much then. most are definitley overpriced. Liliana is the only one i would pay for and not feel like it was too much.
I dunno, Wurmcoil's are pretty dang good in the right deck. Admittedly I got mine for $12 each a few months ago (and a foily for $24, huzzah) but I still may pick up a couple more at this price. They fit in any Tron variant and have a ton of casual appeal and are in every EDH deck I own. I can see them dropping a bit after Modern season ends (is that even a thing now that SCG is involved?) but with RG Tron and U Tron on the rise, I don't think they will dip much.
Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can find what you need.
Wotc chooses how many cards they print. This influences prices. Is this seriously something you're debating?
Where did I say it wasn't a successful business? Where did I say they were doing it wrong? Where did I say it wasn't a business before a game? Where did I say they didn't have to be making money?
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can find what you need.
Wotc chooses how many cards they print. This influences prices. Is this seriously something you're debating?
So what you are asking for is Wotc to just eliminate the business model that is and has been working for them (and Hasbro) because you are upset about a couple prices on cards. The player base has been complaining about card prices since the inception of the game. Wotc could have unlimited print runs and there still would be people complaining. Again, its a business before its a game. You are asking Wotc and Hasbro to lose money by over printing cards. Thats not good business sense.
Again, supply issues come about when cards can not be found. Even a good portion of the reserve list cards can be found if you know where to look.
I dunno, Wurmcoil's are pretty dang good in the right deck. Admittedly I got mine for $12 each a few months ago (and a foily for $24, huzzah) but I still may pick up a couple more at this price. They fit in any Tron variant and have a ton of casual appeal and are in every EDH deck I own. I can see them dropping a bit after Modern season ends (is that even a thing now that SCG is involved?) but with RG Tron and U Tron on the rise, I don't think they will dip much.
Wurmcoil is absolutley amazing. i picked up my 2 regular 2 promo playset on ebay for 50$ and couldnt be happier. 25 aucually isnt that much its mostly just that it sees play in one deck in modern that i think it is a little overpriced, much like if tron decks didnt play eldrazi or karn then they too would be worth less and less overpriced still reasonable for what they do though and the color bleed is obsurd. My list is entirely playable and reasonable other than fetches goyf and clique. I have cliques and they were i guess cheap for what they are now like 30-35 a piece i think and i feel thats a bit much to be honest. Fetches are pretty out of hand as with goyf and ive never been a big goyf fan
Seriously, the only thing I hope long term is that we get less and less price difference between worst rare of a set and best mythic...let's get back to those days...where the top card worth $15-20 and the worst rare worth $1...every rare should be able to find a home somewhere...I want set where there is at least 20 cards that does something interesting/different/original in constructed...so many limited only card in re cent set....
Just my opinion...but $3 worth of card in a pack would be a good start...please design card that player at least may want to play...those 5 mana red Phoenix and 6 mana blue enchantment with something random are a bit overdone...this is why we end up with $50 card...this and mythic rarity...
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can find what you need.
Wotc chooses how many cards they print. This influences prices. Is this seriously something you're debating?
So what you are asking for is Wotc to just eliminate the business model that is and has been working for them (and Hasbro) because you are upset about a couple prices on cards. The player base has been complaining about card prices since the inception of the game. Wotc could have unlimited print runs and there still would be people complaining. Again, its a business before its a game. You are asking Wotc and Hasbro to lose money by over printing cards. Thats not good business sense.
Again, supply issues come about when cards can not be found. Even a good portion of the reserve list cards can be found if you know where to look.
No. I didn't say any of this. I didn't say it was a bad business model. I only pointed out that WOTC's decisions influences prices after you said they have no control over prices. Rather than admit the absurdity of what you said, you keep trying to pretend I said something else.
You now seem to think that supply has absolutely nothing to do with prices?
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can find what you need.
Wotc chooses how many cards they print. This influences prices. Is this seriously something you're debating?
So what you are asking for is Wotc to just eliminate the business model that is and has been working for them (and Hasbro) because you are upset about a couple prices on cards. The player base has been complaining about card prices since the inception of the game. Wotc could have unlimited print runs and there still would be people complaining. Again, its a business before its a game. You are asking Wotc and Hasbro to lose money by over printing cards. Thats not good business sense.
Again, supply issues come about when cards can not be found. Even a good portion of the reserve list cards can be found if you know where to look.
No. I didn't say any of this. I didn't say it was a bad business model. I only pointed out that WOTC's decisions influences prices after you said they have no control over prices. Rather than admit the absurdity of what you said, you keep trying to pretend I said something else.
Like I said, supply only matters when you can not find the cards you want. When you can look at multiple sites and Ebay to find what you need, supply is not an issue. You dont seem to understand supply and demand, simple economics, and a sound business model.
Like I said, supply only matters when you can not find the cards you want.
Buddy, you're not in a position to criticize other people's understanding of basic supply/demand. I don't even think you understand what supply means in the economic sense.
And stop bringing up the ridiculous business model diversion. I made no comment on their business model. I only said that Wotc DOES have the power to influence prices. Not that they wanted to/should.
Like I said, supply only matters when you can not find the cards you want.
Buddy, you're not in a position to criticize other people's understanding of basic supply/demand. I don't even think you understand what supply means in the economic sense.
And stop bringing up the ridiculous business model diversion. I made no comment on their business model. I only said that Wotc DOES have the power to influence prices. Not that they wanted to/should.
How can you disagree on this? I mean, it's like if you would disagree that 1 + 1 = 2.
Don't need to have studied business for understand that the number of cards printed (including there rarity, it's not the secondary market that invented Mythic)have an influence on the price...
Just see the facts, with your logic reprinting in mass would not change the price. Or it does (thoughtseize, shoklands...).
To come back to the topic, I don't specially think that cards like Force of will is overpriced, it's old, rare and played. I can accept that.
Like I said, if the cards were not available I would agree, but you can go to multiple sites and Ebay and find anything you wish. Now if you are going to complain they cost too much, that is an affordability issue, not an availability issue.
By the way, shocklands were $5 a pop, $20 a play set prior to Modern being announced as a format. They were easy to obtain. After the announcement of Modern the price shot up because of demand. This had zero to do with now many were originally printed. Once shock lands rotate out of Standard the shocklands will start to climb again. Come back and explain to me how Shocklands are around $20 because of the lack of printing in a year.
Thoughtseize came out of a small set that didnt sell well when it was in Standard so they were not opened. That is not Wotc's fault the player base didnt open the product they printed. I dont blame Wotc when they stop printing a product that isnt selling.
There are always going to be expensive cards. Its what sells packs, gives players a reason to play limited, a selling point to sell packs and boxes.
Its not as cut and dry as Wotc doesnt print enough cards, thats why prices are so expensive. There are so many other factors involved, the number printed is a moot point.
Ok, I'll not try to explain in detail why you are wrong, you'll just refuse to read and understand.
You are trying do defend something Wizard itself doesn't defend... When Maro say that the Fetch have gone to fast to high and that the will be reprinted in the coming years, that means he think it's overpriced. Just think about it.
Lets see how long it takes to get those fetches you say Maro says are too expensive. (I have not read where Maro said that, I did see the interview where AF said the price spike caught them off guard.)
I understand, its the entitlement crowd that doesnt understand.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Moat
Nether Void
Candelabra of Tawnos
Imperial Recruiter
These are the hugest offenders to me.
For the modern format
Fulminator Mage
Twilight Mire
I ended up buying shocks instead of the twilight mire.
R/W Devotion
Mono-R Devotion
Legacy
Burn
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Know how to run a successful business? Have something people want and will pay for, something worth value. Sounds like Wotc is doing it right. People forget, Magic is a business before its a game. Wotc and Hasbro have to be making money for Magic to survive.
With that thinking, nothing is over priced. It is exactly where the market has put it.
None of this has a thing to do with your false statement that Wizards doesn't have control over prices. If anything, your approval of their business model is an admission that they do have control over prices.
Wotc has zero control over the secondary, the players do. If the player base was not so anxious when new cards were released, LGS would not be able to charge such ridiculous prices for new cards. If the player base was not so competitive, the demand would not be there to drive the prices up. Want lower prices, remove the big events, or better yet dont broadcast them to show the player base what is working and what isnt.
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion Combo
GUEzuri, Claw of progress Morph
GUBSidisi, Brood tyrant
RWGisela, Blade of Goldnight Random red white cards i dont use.dec
GBLoam Pox
Modern
UBFaeries
GBWGoyfless Abzan
On Squirrels
On Risen Executioner
Supply is not an issue when you can look at multiple sites and Ebay and find the cards you desire. The only tie supply comes into play is when you can not find what you need.
I dunno, Wurmcoil's are pretty dang good in the right deck. Admittedly I got mine for $12 each a few months ago (and a foily for $24, huzzah) but I still may pick up a couple more at this price. They fit in any Tron variant and have a ton of casual appeal and are in every EDH deck I own. I can see them dropping a bit after Modern season ends (is that even a thing now that SCG is involved?) but with RG Tron and U Tron on the rise, I don't think they will dip much.
So what you are asking for is Wotc to just eliminate the business model that is and has been working for them (and Hasbro) because you are upset about a couple prices on cards. The player base has been complaining about card prices since the inception of the game. Wotc could have unlimited print runs and there still would be people complaining. Again, its a business before its a game. You are asking Wotc and Hasbro to lose money by over printing cards. Thats not good business sense.
Again, supply issues come about when cards can not be found. Even a good portion of the reserve list cards can be found if you know where to look.
Wurmcoil is absolutley amazing. i picked up my 2 regular 2 promo playset on ebay for 50$ and couldnt be happier. 25 aucually isnt that much its mostly just that it sees play in one deck in modern that i think it is a little overpriced, much like if tron decks didnt play eldrazi or karn then they too would be worth less and less overpriced still reasonable for what they do though and the color bleed is obsurd. My list is entirely playable and reasonable other than fetches goyf and clique. I have cliques and they were i guess cheap for what they are now like 30-35 a piece i think and i feel thats a bit much to be honest. Fetches are pretty out of hand as with goyf and ive never been a big goyf fan
BWTeysa, Orzhov Scion Combo
GUEzuri, Claw of progress Morph
GUBSidisi, Brood tyrant
RWGisela, Blade of Goldnight Random red white cards i dont use.dec
GBLoam Pox
Modern
UBFaeries
GBWGoyfless Abzan
On Squirrels
On Risen Executioner
Underpriced : every card I have a playset
Seriously, the only thing I hope long term is that we get less and less price difference between worst rare of a set and best mythic...let's get back to those days...where the top card worth $15-20 and the worst rare worth $1...every rare should be able to find a home somewhere...I want set where there is at least 20 cards that does something interesting/different/original in constructed...so many limited only card in re cent set....
Just my opinion...but $3 worth of card in a pack would be a good start...please design card that player at least may want to play...those 5 mana red Phoenix and 6 mana blue enchantment with something random are a bit overdone...this is why we end up with $50 card...this and mythic rarity...
Like I said, supply only matters when you can not find the cards you want. When you can look at multiple sites and Ebay to find what you need, supply is not an issue. You dont seem to understand supply and demand, simple economics, and a sound business model.
And stop bringing up the ridiculous business model diversion. I made no comment on their business model. I only said that Wotc DOES have the power to influence prices. Not that they wanted to/should.
..and I disagree.
Which is also funny considering how horrendously awful the foils from shad-eventide are...
"Personally I love high-riak, low-reqars gambles. Life's best with a decent amount of riak. And f*** reqars."
Like I said, if the cards were not available I would agree, but you can go to multiple sites and Ebay and find anything you wish. Now if you are going to complain they cost too much, that is an affordability issue, not an availability issue.
By the way, shocklands were $5 a pop, $20 a play set prior to Modern being announced as a format. They were easy to obtain. After the announcement of Modern the price shot up because of demand. This had zero to do with now many were originally printed. Once shock lands rotate out of Standard the shocklands will start to climb again. Come back and explain to me how Shocklands are around $20 because of the lack of printing in a year.
Thoughtseize came out of a small set that didnt sell well when it was in Standard so they were not opened. That is not Wotc's fault the player base didnt open the product they printed. I dont blame Wotc when they stop printing a product that isnt selling.
There are always going to be expensive cards. Its what sells packs, gives players a reason to play limited, a selling point to sell packs and boxes.
Its not as cut and dry as Wotc doesnt print enough cards, thats why prices are so expensive. There are so many other factors involved, the number printed is a moot point.
It's a damned common! Ugghh...
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Lets see how long it takes to get those fetches you say Maro says are too expensive. (I have not read where Maro said that, I did see the interview where AF said the price spike caught them off guard.)
I understand, its the entitlement crowd that doesnt understand.
Why?