Most Modern staples. The price of entry into that format (and Legacy) is ridiculous. I came back to playing the game a little over a year ago and I've been slowly collecting and building up my collection, but until Fetches get reprinted I'm locked out of playing with decks that interest me in that format. I can't justify $200 apiece for a Goyf or shelling out $100+ for a playset of a land. It's pretty frustrating because I'll watch coverage, see cool decks that I'd love to play, then see the prices and realize that there is no way in hell I can afford it.
Heres the thing, 5 years ago when fetches were $20, Bob was $40, and Goyf was a $75 card, the cards were too expensive for some. Ten years ago when competitive mana base cards were $10-$15 and we had $20 staples, cards were too expensive for some people. In five to ten years, there will still be people complaining about the price of cards. There is a certain portion of the player base that will always complain that cards are too expensive for them.
Noble Hiearch. I refused to buy it when it was $20 because I thought that was too much for a mana dork. Now that it's $60 I can't believe people have paid this much. I guess people will pay anything to win, though I wish wizards would just print it again now that Magic's player base is larger than ever and they want to bottleneck the supply of cards because of "muh investment"
Almost any card that is worth anything only because of EDH. Hate that format so much.
Why?
A bunch of old geezer reasons, but so far:
1. I dislike shuffling so many cards at a time, and, considering EDH is a format filled with shuffle effects, that happens a lot.
2. I don't like formats that are typically multiplayer, which EDH is. That you can play 1v1 EDH is not enough of a positive to counter all of its negatives (to me).
3. I like 4 ofs, because I can lay them out on my kitchen counter top and derive an extraordinary amount of satisfaction from looking at them.
4. There aren't really any tournaments for the format.
5. Many staples are complete trash if it weren't for EDH. I'm looking at you, Mana Reflection. This is the needle that broke the camel's back for me; I already disliked the format, so I hate that cards I might want to durdle around with for fun have to cost as much as actual good cards for constructed tournaments (Modern/Legacy).
I can understand where you're coming from, however, I've been playing EDH for most of 18 years and I've always liked it as a format and a break from competitive magic. However, after yesterday's tournament I'm kinda hating it. Too many people depending on infinite combos and my deck was designed to disrupt combo with Child as my general. When I play Child I'm targeted by everyone even if I never put her on the field to level the board. I mean a solo blue player that manages to put his deck online almost every time while others are countering me from keeping him from going infinite on his next turn irritated me a bit. So while I wasn't going to win the box of boosters, I wanted to keep him from getting it because I found his deck to be the most annoying infinite combo deck to play against.
I could have played my Naya elf combo deck that uses Mana Reflection to create infinte mana with even a single Joraga Treespeaker and Umbra Mantle to make one dude hit for lethal damage in a single turn, but I don't enjoy playing combo. I like to play aggro or control. And Child fits my style of play better in any case.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Then the question would be: which cards do you think are too rare? They're all priced fairly for the combination of what they do and how many there are in circulation. It's not accurate to call them overpriced, though.
Nothing is over priced. Everything is priced by the players buying, so the players set the prices, not Wotc. What you are seeing is the market value for the cards.
Oh come on. Players are not "setting prices" any more than Wotc is. Prices are not just demand. Supply matters a whole lot too. "Demand" has gone up over the years with new players entering the game. Rather than increase supply, Wotc has continued to let prices spiral out of control.
Then the question would be: which cards do you think are too rare? They're all priced fairly for the combination of what they do and how many there are in circulation. It's not accurate to call them overpriced, though.
I didn't say cards are overpriced, as I agree that they are priced accurately based on their supply. I was merely questioning the idea that WOTC has no control over it. As for cards that are too rare? The easiest answer is duals. The current supply is equal to/less than packs cracked 20 years ago. As a result, eternal formats are extremely constrained.
Foil Merchant Scroll and Telling Time are the only cards keeping me from foiling my modern deck. 1 Because of the price and the 2nd card is just sold out EVERYWHERE.
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Check the price on foil: Greater Good, Sleight of Hand, or P3K cards like Imperial Seal. Sure it's rare or whatever but some of these prices are their own Comedy Central hourly specials. Check them out.
Heres the thing, 5 years ago when fetches were $20, Bob was $40, and Goyf was a $75 card, the cards were too expensive for some. Ten years ago when competitive mana base cards were $10-$15 and we had $20 staples, cards were too expensive for some people. In five to ten years, there will still be people complaining about the price of cards. There is a certain portion of the player base that will always complain that cards are too expensive for them.
Looks like I am going to complain forever.
When cards were too expensive, I was looking forward to having a job so that I can buy those cards. Lo and behold I have the money I needed for the old prices but the prices went high just too much that it's not reasonable unless I am determined to become a pro.
I understand that there's an influx of players and Wizards can't do ***** about it right now but it is frustrating.
If you expected the prices to stay the same they were 5 or 10 years ago, you had unrealistic expectations of the market. Card prices have been creeping up in cost for years.
Back around ZEN, I didn't have much money and couldn't afford cards.
If I had money, I could with no problem buy a T1 deck.
Now, I have money and it feels like I don't.
All the prices spiked and just now they are falling, nothing really climbed steady.
That's the problem I was talking about.
There are peaks and valleys in all markets. The dip will be short lived. I believe its because, in Standard we have rotation coming in a few months, and in Modern we are in 'season' and most have the deck they will be playing through out. Once SCG starts up the Modern events every weekend, expect Modern prices to start to climb again. Same for Standard prices once rotation gets here.
Heres the thing, 5 years ago when fetches were $20, Bob was $40, and Goyf was a $75 card, the cards were too expensive for some. Ten years ago when competitive mana base cards were $10-$15 and we had $20 staples, cards were too expensive for some people. In five to ten years, there will still be people complaining about the price of cards. There is a certain portion of the player base that will always complain that cards are too expensive for them.
At least someone here gets it. They reprinted Thoughtseize, a $60 card, just like what people wanted. Now its a $14-20 card and people ( mind you a very few ) still complain its too expensive. You can't please everyone, and ultimately the only thing WotC can do is just increase the availability of sought after cards.
Even the Shocklands which WotC has so elegantly flooded the market with will eventually climb in price as demand raises and fewer copies are lift in circulation.
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I can understand where you're coming from, however, I've been playing EDH for most of 18 years and I've always liked it as a format and a break from competitive magic. However, after yesterday's tournament I'm kinda hating it. Too many people depending on infinite combos and my deck was designed to disrupt combo with Child as my general. When I play Child I'm targeted by everyone even if I never put her on the field to level the board. I mean a solo blue player that manages to put his deck online almost every time while others are countering me from keeping him from going infinite on his next turn irritated me a bit. So while I wasn't going to win the box of boosters, I wanted to keep him from getting it because I found his deck to be the most annoying infinite combo deck to play against.
I could have played my Naya elf combo deck that uses Mana Reflection to create infinte mana with even a single Joraga Treespeaker and Umbra Mantle to make one dude hit for lethal damage in a single turn, but I don't enjoy playing combo. I like to play aggro or control. And Child fits my style of play better in any case.
Then the question would be: which cards do you think are too rare? They're all priced fairly for the combination of what they do and how many there are in circulation. It's not accurate to call them overpriced, though.
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If you expected the prices to stay the same they were 5 or 10 years ago, you had unrealistic expectations of the market. Card prices have been creeping up in cost for years.
There are peaks and valleys in all markets. The dip will be short lived. I believe its because, in Standard we have rotation coming in a few months, and in Modern we are in 'season' and most have the deck they will be playing through out. Once SCG starts up the Modern events every weekend, expect Modern prices to start to climb again. Same for Standard prices once rotation gets here.
At least someone here gets it. They reprinted Thoughtseize, a $60 card, just like what people wanted. Now its a $14-20 card and people ( mind you a very few ) still complain its too expensive. You can't please everyone, and ultimately the only thing WotC can do is just increase the availability of sought after cards.
Even the Shocklands which WotC has so elegantly flooded the market with will eventually climb in price as demand raises and fewer copies are lift in circulation.