Let's face it, making the change for a new Core Set every year is just a money-grabbing move. It's bad enough with cards rotating out in Standard every two years but because of the change but now with the Core Set change the cards from those sets rotate out every one year. I think it would be better for Standard and for players financially if Core Sets go back to being every two years. Do you think Core Sets should go back to being every two years? Why or why not?
I think yearly core set rotations are bad. The overall rate/frequency of card turnover and rotation is too damn high. Core set rotation should match expansions. Or only 1 Core set every two years.
It basically used to be that way.
I also agree that the Core set should feature FAR more REPRINTS, which the game desperately needs.
I didn't buy core sets then and I don't buy them now, save for a few cards here and there. Not a big fan of buying cards that rotate quickly and may never get reprinted again. Not a fan of having the Lorwyn planeswalkers change every 2-3 years with coresets. I don't mind having them change every now and then, but I feel like the walkers are getting worse and worse. I want my old planeswalkers back.
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I think two years would be better too. It would mean more time to actually make an interesting set, and I think it is a bit silly really to make sets where almost all cards have a lifetime of only one year.
I think having the opportunity to only have certain cards Standard legal for one year, is necessary. That way, a card can for example exist in INN-RTR, but not SOM-INN or RTR-THS. Particularly useful for the core set utility cards, we see it now with Doom Blade in a black dominated meta.
I don't buy the core sets though, only a handful of singles.
Edit: And note how O-ring took a time out to give the gods and god tools a chance to make an impact.
This guy in the General Forum said that the Core Set should go back to every two years and then we can also have a Modern Masters in the off-year. Frankly, I think that is a great idea.
The core needs to go back to being updated once every two years. Every year is giving fatigue and over-saturation to the game. It's just ridiculous.
In the off-years, they could regularly release something like Modern Masters, a draftable set of reprints that is meant to entertain the draft crowd, not enter standard, and provide Modern and other eternal formats with much needed reprints and player-interest.
Quite frankly, I'd also like to see the core set have many, many more repints. I'm not saying it needs to go back to 100% reprints, but it should have a higher ratio. It should also have a lower proportion of jank.
If every card printed would have to be Standard legal for two years, they would have narrower limitations for what they could print. This would make for a less diverse card pool. If Fiendslayer Paladin, for example, could/should not exist in Standard along with a card in the Huey block, they would have to choose one.
I agree that there's way too much jank in the core sets, and that a MM set every other year would be great, but they need to have a way to introduce cards for one year only.
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Like someone said in a similar thread to this. Thragtusk would still be legal if it would be that way. No thanks
I don't know if we need to base it on idiot mistakes that were printed broken. We had to deal with Jace and Stoneforge for almost a year and a half simply because they were printed in main sets instead of core - pointing to a core set mistake isn't exactly valid as an argument in my eyes. Had Thragtusk been appropriately costed, he wouldn't be so much an example.
I don't know if we need to base it on idiot mistakes that were printed broken. We had to deal with Jace and Stoneforge for almost a year and a half. Had Thragtusk been appropriately costed, he wouldn't be so much an example.
That's the thing though. Having a Coreset every years means they can print certain cards to reduce or increase the powerlevel of something like Great Sable Stag as an example. Without it they couldnt do anything to hose a completely dominating strategy besides banning cards.
1 core set for every year, but two core sets legal in standard, they should have no cards in common. Giant growth one year, fog next year is fine. Every year? Thats just laziness. Its also redundant economically since those cards only cost a penny.
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But I also propose even distribution of number of cards in each rarity: Large set: 60 c, 60 u, 60 r, 60 m.
Probabilities of particular cards: Common 7/60, Uncommon 1/12, Rare 1/20, Mythic 1/60.
I love how people think that not buying core sets is still not a financial sink...
Core sets contain format staple cards like Titans, Thundermaw Hellkite, Thragtusk...
Whether you buy sealed product from core sets or not, you are still financially impacted by the core sets rotating every year instead of 2 years. It is ridiculous to simply forget that aspect because you don't buy the sealed product.
I think the real issue at heart with the core sets rotating every year, is that there are not really any core set staples anymore, even the dual lands are out now.
The core sets have lost sight of a fundamental function we have seen for a good amount of MTG's history, and that is that core set staples simply rotate now. Not only do you have to buy the new staples that they produce, but even your old cards like Birds of Paradise or a number of other cards you sunk money into over the years, that simply become obsolete rather than remain a core set staple.
I think the proper fix is to split your core sets down the middle with old cards that are not just format staples, but game staples. None of this Elixir of Immortality, or Elvish Mystic nonsense. More rares should be considered core set staples, allowing more people to save a bit of coin and continue to play the cards they actually like. The other half should be less high impact releases/introductions that are not locked into a core set.
Having an entire core set rotate every 2 years leaves more stagnant opening seasons, which is why I am glad they rotate every year. The other side of that coin, is the fact that nothing is locked in anymore and the things that seemingly are, is filler **** that just does not matter. As a standard player, I like to be able to replay more of the cards I actually own, that what I actually get to carry over during a rotational period.
This is also coming from someone who does not really ever take price into consideration.
I don't know if we need to base it on idiot mistakes that were printed broken. We had to deal with Jace and Stoneforge for almost a year and a half simply because they were printed in main sets instead of core - pointing to a core set mistake isn't exactly valid as an argument in my eyes. Had Thragtusk been appropriately costed, he wouldn't be so much an example.
Thragtusk wasn't broken and did exactly as intended. I think they hit the mark pretty close with that one. They want the ability to keep standard interesting by doing powerful things. They just don't want that thing to dominate a full 2 years. If Thragusk was still around right now I think there would be trouble but it had a good run, and if you look back the summer it was printed it wasn't even the best choice of card.
Having the Core Set every year allows them to control the power level of the metagame for cycling reasons. They can push the power limits in the summer when there is redundancy from 2 legal core sets, while making plants to keep the next block in check. Look how drastically different it made things feel after rotation even though we immediately had 2 sets legal. O-Ring, Acidic Slime, and early ETB value crept out the door while we were busy jamming heymakers. It keeps things fresh and interesting.
I actually think the move to the yearly Core Sets is part of what keeps magic interesting and keeps it from getting too out of hand. It took a couple years to get it.. but now they've hit stride over the last couple. I am hoping they are almost done with their renaming reprint thing so that we can atleast have Elvish Mystic be the staple now (if Llanowar Elves is no good).. I'd like the core functional cards to stay fairly static and the last couple years of renaming have made it kind of awkward.
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Core Sets should be 3 Years. They're supposed to be just what the name implies CORE. And that means they should be stable and consistent as something you can count on. Making them rotate faster than anything else does the exact opposite. You don't get enough time to work with the cards, and they're not filling the role they are suppose to anymore.
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Core Sets should be 3 Years. They're supposed to be just what the name implies CORE. And that means they should be stable and consistent as something you can count on. Making them rotate faster than anything else does the exact opposite. You don't get enough time to work with the cards, and they're not filling the role they are suppose to anymore.
There was a time in Magic when this was true, however now 'CORE' implied the core fundamentals of the game and serve to help introduce new players into the game by breaking down colors into cards that showcase what that spectrum of the color pie can and cannot do.
As someone who loved having Core sets around for a good amount of time back when, I can tell you that it is far too stagnant compared to what we have now.
It is very healthy to be rotating the core every year, as well as exciting. I personally love the excitement they have brought with introducing new cards in a core set, but I agree that some of the cards they consider for core sets, should be staples from core set to core set, and only rotating out after the introduction of an interesting replacement worthy of being a core card that is basic enough for new players to understand.
What this really allows WotC to do is have the "power summer." This is where you have the full 2 blocks and 2 core sets to work with. It is the highest card pool for standard at that time.
Core sets are usually one of the best draft sets. Its basic abilities that allows very easy play for new players. Core sets are designed solely for new players in the first place.
I like the core sets rotating every year because those cards drop in price faster.
They've also done a great job with other aspects of these core sets, such as introducing new cards (rather than just reprints) and making them black bordered.
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Wait... isn't it longer then one year? like 15 months or something? Because isn't the OLD core valid in standard play until the first expansion in the newest block after the last core? IE about 3 months where both cores are legal?
Wait... isn't it longer then one year? like 15 months or something? Because isn't the OLD core valid in standard play until the first expansion in the newest block after the last core? IE about 3 months where both cores are legal?
Yes, it's really 15 months, but ppl round it off to 1 year.
It is the summer of 2006. Coldsnap was just released. How many stores still carry 9th edition core set, or make it so that it is still as big as the newest set?
How about when before the release of Future sight?
The problem is that the core sets lose relevancy the longer it has been out without a newer one to replace it.
Stores that don't have a lot of shelf room also like to carry the newest stuff, so if a core set is close to 2 years old, and they already have newer stuff, and they have to make room for the newest set, guess what is coming off the shelf? The product that is the oldest, or should I say, the core set. If core sets came in every year, stores are sort of forced to have core sets in their shelves no matter what.
What is the difference between releasing a core set every other year, and releasing a core set every year, but they change the contents every other year? What we see now is that WOTC has full control as to what is in the core set for every year. Back then, when it was released every other year, when the new block in the year where there wasn't a core set before it, they really couldn't do anything about it, but now, since core sets are released every year, they can make tweaks to it. Even if they don't have to do anything with it, they can just re-release the exact same core set as last year's, and slap a new name on it just to make the core set relevant.
With core sets coming out every year now, there is less to make each core set interesting. They basically are known now for their one notable card or cycle (ie: the "Thragtusk core set" and the "Titans core sets").
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I don't buy the core sets though, only a handful of singles.
Edit: And note how O-ring took a time out to give the gods and god tools a chance to make an impact.
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I agree that there's way too much jank in the core sets, and that a MM set every other year would be great, but they need to have a way to introduce cards for one year only.
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I could live with that too. As a matter of fact just make it Liliana.
That's the thing though. Having a Coreset every years means they can print certain cards to reduce or increase the powerlevel of something like Great Sable Stag as an example. Without it they couldnt do anything to hose a completely dominating strategy besides banning cards.
But I also propose even distribution of number of cards in each rarity: Large set: 60 c, 60 u, 60 r, 60 m.
Probabilities of particular cards: Common 7/60, Uncommon 1/12, Rare 1/20, Mythic 1/60.
Core sets contain format staple cards like Titans, Thundermaw Hellkite, Thragtusk...
Whether you buy sealed product from core sets or not, you are still financially impacted by the core sets rotating every year instead of 2 years. It is ridiculous to simply forget that aspect because you don't buy the sealed product.
I think the real issue at heart with the core sets rotating every year, is that there are not really any core set staples anymore, even the dual lands are out now.
The core sets have lost sight of a fundamental function we have seen for a good amount of MTG's history, and that is that core set staples simply rotate now. Not only do you have to buy the new staples that they produce, but even your old cards like Birds of Paradise or a number of other cards you sunk money into over the years, that simply become obsolete rather than remain a core set staple.
I think the proper fix is to split your core sets down the middle with old cards that are not just format staples, but game staples. None of this Elixir of Immortality, or Elvish Mystic nonsense. More rares should be considered core set staples, allowing more people to save a bit of coin and continue to play the cards they actually like. The other half should be less high impact releases/introductions that are not locked into a core set.
Having an entire core set rotate every 2 years leaves more stagnant opening seasons, which is why I am glad they rotate every year. The other side of that coin, is the fact that nothing is locked in anymore and the things that seemingly are, is filler **** that just does not matter. As a standard player, I like to be able to replay more of the cards I actually own, that what I actually get to carry over during a rotational period.
This is also coming from someone who does not really ever take price into consideration.
Thragtusk wasn't broken and did exactly as intended. I think they hit the mark pretty close with that one. They want the ability to keep standard interesting by doing powerful things. They just don't want that thing to dominate a full 2 years. If Thragusk was still around right now I think there would be trouble but it had a good run, and if you look back the summer it was printed it wasn't even the best choice of card.
Having the Core Set every year allows them to control the power level of the metagame for cycling reasons. They can push the power limits in the summer when there is redundancy from 2 legal core sets, while making plants to keep the next block in check. Look how drastically different it made things feel after rotation even though we immediately had 2 sets legal. O-Ring, Acidic Slime, and early ETB value crept out the door while we were busy jamming heymakers. It keeps things fresh and interesting.
I actually think the move to the yearly Core Sets is part of what keeps magic interesting and keeps it from getting too out of hand. It took a couple years to get it.. but now they've hit stride over the last couple. I am hoping they are almost done with their renaming reprint thing so that we can atleast have Elvish Mystic be the staple now (if Llanowar Elves is no good).. I'd like the core functional cards to stay fairly static and the last couple years of renaming have made it kind of awkward.
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There was a time in Magic when this was true, however now 'CORE' implied the core fundamentals of the game and serve to help introduce new players into the game by breaking down colors into cards that showcase what that spectrum of the color pie can and cannot do.
As someone who loved having Core sets around for a good amount of time back when, I can tell you that it is far too stagnant compared to what we have now.
It is very healthy to be rotating the core every year, as well as exciting. I personally love the excitement they have brought with introducing new cards in a core set, but I agree that some of the cards they consider for core sets, should be staples from core set to core set, and only rotating out after the introduction of an interesting replacement worthy of being a core card that is basic enough for new players to understand.
Core sets are usually one of the best draft sets. Its basic abilities that allows very easy play for new players. Core sets are designed solely for new players in the first place.
I think it is fine the way it is.
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I really didn't like m14, but m13, m12, m11, were fine.
The old core sets were terrible. The only exception was maybe sixth edition, which even still...
The old way that they worked wasn't very good, and if you remember how they used to work, I don't think that you'd miss it.
The new design philosophy of the core sets is, IMO, much better than it used to be.
They've also done a great job with other aspects of these core sets, such as introducing new cards (rather than just reprints) and making them black bordered.
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Yes, it's really 15 months, but ppl round it off to 1 year.
How about when before the release of Future sight?
The problem is that the core sets lose relevancy the longer it has been out without a newer one to replace it.
Stores that don't have a lot of shelf room also like to carry the newest stuff, so if a core set is close to 2 years old, and they already have newer stuff, and they have to make room for the newest set, guess what is coming off the shelf? The product that is the oldest, or should I say, the core set. If core sets came in every year, stores are sort of forced to have core sets in their shelves no matter what.
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What is the difference between releasing a core set every other year, and releasing a core set every year, but they change the contents every other year? What we see now is that WOTC has full control as to what is in the core set for every year. Back then, when it was released every other year, when the new block in the year where there wasn't a core set before it, they really couldn't do anything about it, but now, since core sets are released every year, they can make tweaks to it. Even if they don't have to do anything with it, they can just re-release the exact same core set as last year's, and slap a new name on it just to make the core set relevant.