Would an argument for expanding the Reserve List in order to save Local Game Stores be a valid one? Think about it. If you had a much better chance of saving your business through flipping card singles that would be worth more on the Reserve List compared to not being on the list, would you take that chance knowing that cards which have only received one printing would never be reprinted in a functionally identical form? Of course you also increase the risk of the game no longer being as accessible as it is today as you'd end up relying less on newer sealed products as you'd be making more money on card singles.
As much as I'd hate to admit it, yeah I do think the risk would be worth the reward. At the end of the day LGSs make more money off of cards that are currently losing them money within the Secondary Market, players would still have a physical location to hang out with their friends to play Paper Magic, and Wizards of the Coast would probably profit off of their Secret Lair drops more than they already are which would kind of be a double-edged sword in this type of hypothetical scenario. I just don't see how this would be a lose-lose situation. Sure EDH / Commander might become more expensive as an end result but what else?
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
the majority of LGS doesnt sell singles (at least here in europe), so it wouldnt save them.
we have a platform here that allows every single player to buy and sell cards. and this platform would be a harder competition for the LGS. some LGS use it themselves, but probably not to save the physicial LGS location, cause they dont need that due to the platform.
we also have buyouts on that platform, but those are rarely happening because of LGS but because of speculation. so an extended reserved list wouldnt help LGS, but those who can effort to gamble.
tbh i think the reserved list hurts the magic community. and a damaged magic community hurts the LGS in the end.
LGS need to switch from "being the store where you purchase cards to being the place where you play with your friends"
unfortunatly most stores are run by people who wanted to make their hobby their profession, which why a lot of amateurs run these businesses and which is why they are not capable to adjusting to the changed environment.
if wizards wants to help these retard owned LGS, they actually could get rid of the whole reserved list and make them promo cards which you can only win at tournaments in an LGS. this would bring alot of people back into the store.
ofc this will never happen. what will happen is, that they get rid of it and that they will try to sell it in super whale products.
my point is... increasing the reserved list wont solve the problem
Public Mod Note
(motleyslayer):
warning issued for inappropriate language, please do not use the word "retard" in relation to anything
Basically we get a Reserved List for some special cards that are not going to get reprinted due to arbitrary reasons from WotC.
That these cards are expensive is great, it makes them overall more "collectable" items.
Getting them is more of an achievement, its long term collect-ability of the game (or a very large bank account, which goes hand in hand).
Almost all the cards you could buy from the reserved list did go up in price and you made money investing in them (in addition to just having them for your decks, and because you enjoy the art etc.).
All the cards that are NOT on a reserved list have a major risk to get reprinted and lose tremendous value.
So thats a danger.
If cards are guaranteed to not be reprinted, especially not on demand, you get a reasonable collectable item.
----
All the casuals that just want some cards should never invest money in the game at all, just print the proxy cards for all the decks you want and play with your friends, thats totally enough ; its borderline stupid to pay hundreds or thousands of bucks just to play casually.
If you dont want to invest in "art" you can just not do it (and still get the cards to play with).
That people spend money just to have some casual decks boggles my mind.
----
People that spend a bunch of money in standard cards are almost guaranteed to be very annoyed when they rotate and the value completely crashes.
Former expensive cards become borderline crap cards, worth not even a dollar.
----
LGS in Europe sell a lot of Booster packs, Commander decks, very little singles.
The shops that invest in mass openings of product and selling singles do exist, but the market does not allow for too many to exist.
Flipping product on retail is way easier than opening for singles.
Price tagging each card, the work to handle all the stock and the entire time is just too valuable (and the risk of theft is huge too, if you have lots of expensive product people steal that stuff and a shop usually cannot handle such a lose).
WoTC doesn't retain the list arbitrarily, nor do or did they print (and then not reprint) cards so they obtain or presumably retain value over time. That was never their intent.
They printed cards then and continue to do so because they're game pieces to be played with and traded against one another primarily among players (and collectors), and obviously because it's a product which creates profitable revenue for them (and their partners).
The fact that certain cards have monetary value as individual singles on the secondary market due to artificially diminished supply and inflated player demand is purely incidental, or at most the result of unanticipated product popularity.
Anyone who played back in the day knows the List was started due to Chronicles which was a complete disaster. Love it or hate it, it was the right decision, one which I will always support, one which saved this game, so those among you who don't like it need to acknowledge that you probably never would've even been introduced to this game without it, because it would have faded into obscurity with countless other CCGs back in the mid-late 90s.
If they printed every good competitive and efficient card en-masse at common rarity (again, like they did back then) they may lose the confidence of long term collectors, but at least then everyone could actually play the deck they want to play affordably. Ask yourselves... Is that what every player truly wants deep down? Alas, that would mean fewer packs being sold, which is bad for Wizards, LGSs, and ultimately bad for players if they go under and the product stops evolving, being distributed, and live events are no longer being hosted. From my perspective, the high and ever-increasing value of cards (especially commander staples) is nothing short of irrefutable evidence that this game is still extremely successful at attracting new players and retaining old ones despite the pandemic situation, which is impressive, and a good thing we should all be happy about and proud to support. After so many years of market and reprint patterns, there are things about this game we should all understand and accept by now, for better or worse.
As for expanding or expunging the list, be careful what you wish for
Anyone who played back in the day knows the List was started due to Chronicles which was a complete disaster. Love it or hate it, it was the right decision, one which I will always support, one which saved this game, so those among you who don't like it need to acknowledge that you probably never would've even been introduced to this game without it, because it would have faded into obscurity with countless other CCGs back in the mid-late 90s.
Perhaps MTG should've faded into obscurity in the mid-late 90s much like it's competition because the market itself is too crowded for them to even co-exist in the first place though they probably didn't expect Yu-Gi-Oh! and Pokémon to create the kind of resurgence for the Paper Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game genre that it did in the late 90s early 2000s. When the Singles Market became a much bigger deal than sealed product over time Local Game Stores are now more than ever having to jump through hoops to help satisfy consumer demand without having to pay into a lottery system with more time constraints. As an end result it's causing these potential customers to purchase elsewhere simply because these stores are making less money on niche products that don't fly off the shelves as much. You can't afford to take that kind of risk in a Post-COVID world.
If MTG is old enough to be an antique collectible from a bygone era then what does that say about Paper Trading Card Games / Collectible Card Games as a whole in 2020? What does that say about all the cardboard wasted on this genre when the companies behind these games are only looking for short-term gains instead of actually putting in the work to compete against MTG? They've already done all they could over the last couple decades so unless your card game is either Yu-Gi-Oh! or Pokémon, you're not getting a piece of the pie. You can't have multiple Secondary Markets per Paper Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game and not expect some kind of retraction with how much of these products in terms of buying / selling Singles that Local Game Stores are able to handle. The amount of inventory they're able to carry is dependent on the stores' overhead and geography.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
The best way for WOTC to help "save" the LGS would consist of multiple things:
1) Increase prize support for tournaments with desirable, needed cards.
2) Create products specifically for WPN locations.
3) Sell product directly to stores, bypassing distributors.
4) Support more formats at events.
All things that WOTC had done in the past.
These are only a few things, I'm sure there are others.
I’ll bet LGS lost a lot of money on M21 and Jumpstart for two different reasons.
M21 is getting so many variants w collector boosters containing borderless while set not being strong that inventory sitting on shelf.
Jumpstart was a demanded product that LGS got almost nothing initially and restock was 5+ weeks later while Target was getting new packs every week at a lower price.
If wizards values LGS, give them product to sell as a priority versus heavily discounted big box stores.
adding more cards to the list isn't going to do much other than just piss the playerbase off at this point. so many can't even comprehend why the list was created in the first place, and constantly feel all cards should be worthless. adding more to it is just going to erode their faith in everything.
if wizards really wants to support the lgs one of the best things they could do is prioritize the lgs over big box stores like target and walmart. stop hyping amazon as a place for preorders. shift the emphasis to the little guy. add store exclusives, communicate better with stores, ensure they get all the product that they need.
that also means changing distribution.
currently, the bigger the store the higher the priority to get product. i've seen some stores get pallets of product, while others have to order from said store off amazon to ensure that they get ANY product. all while walmart and target stay stocked. how is that fair to the lgs, and why would customers come back to the lgs level store if they can't even get product?
i mean, look at the last batch of commander precons. they were impossible to find anywhere except big box stores. most shops in my area you could preorder through, but you had to take the entire case, all 5 decks, because 3 of the 5 would just rot on the shelf. that meant they weren't going to buy more unless they sold through what they had. meanwhile targets and walmarts can handle the volume so your chances of getting what you wanted through them was much higher. still a gamble, but you at least had a chance.
then there's sets and mechanics.
design sets we want to play with. design mechanics that are fun and interesting. reprint cards that fit. balance. balance. balance. if you make it fun and interactive, if you make us feel we're getting our money's worth, we'll go to events. we'll go to events and buy product. no gimmick necessary. just good solid sets.
they could also make secret lairs available exclusively through the lgs instead of ordered direct from wizards.
there are just SO many options open to them to support the lgs and instead they'd rather throw more gambling into packs, more gimmicks into sets, and throw more product at big box stores. its shameful really.
The Reserve List doesn't really help the Local Game Store (LGS) at all, the cards are so rare and desirable that nearly no one can afford to buy one without getting scammed by eBay sellers trying to turn a profit off of Chinese counterfeits. It's literally been proven by Shivan Dragon, a card not on the Reserve List whose most recent printing is nearly worthless on the Secondary Market, is still worth SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS in it's OG printing in Alpha / Beta / Unlimited. So the notion that reprinting Reserve List cards would devalue the original printings is just a poor argument made by MTG Collectors who continue to defend the Reserve List.
No one who cares about Paper Magic should argue for the expansion of the Reserve List and should have an interest in getting rid of it. A reprint of the Alpha / Beta / Unlimited Duals with a new frame and artwork would actually *help* the Secondary Market because everyone who plays Eternal Formats like Legacy, Vintage, and EDH / Commander would want them not to mention expunging the Reserve List altogether would put a massive dent in the Counterfeit Market which is currently taking potential sales away from Local Game Stores affected by the ongoing pandemic. It's unlikely that expunging the Reserve List wouldn't really affect the pricing of Reserve List staples in terms of a market downturn in how it relates to a grassroots store.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
America Bless Christ Jesus
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
I feel that adding cards to the reserve list will do more harm than good. By making certain cards unable to be reprinted, eventually they'll become so rare and hard to find their prices will increase as well. This will price many other players out of being able to play.
as said earlier in this thread, there are many places to get product now, so we need to focus on the LGS as a place to play and gather with your friends.
Yes, kinda? In this day and age of mass printing putting something on reserved list will probably get a "meh"
Sure there will be much anger at first... but then ppl realised they don't need or don't want to buy those cards anyway (there is a reason they are cheap ya)
You must remember most of the RL cards were worthless before some joker thought it was a good idea to buyout moat.
The different between cards of that era and now is... there is literally a ***** ton of cards now heh
so many can't even comprehend why the list was created in the first place, and constantly feel all cards should be worthless.
Erm ... being a bit inflammatory are we? I'm sure that not wanting the RL to remain as-is, or not wanting it to remain at all, doesn't mean wanting cards to be worthless, and it's more complicated than that... otherwise, why do a lot of desirable non-RL cards hold a non-zero value?
Not to mention that it, IMO, perpetuates a false dichotomy with regards to the people who support or oppose the RL - in that, it helps perpetuate the pigeonholing of people as "having RL cards = pro-RL' not having RL = anti-RL," which is BS. Seriously, in parsing many discussions on the subject, here, on Twitter, on YouTube, and on Facebook, I've seen people:
Who have RL cards, and support abolishing the RL.
Who have RL cards, and support modifying, but not completely abolishing the RL.
Who have RL cards, and support leaving the RL alone.
Who don't have RL cards, and support abolishing the RL.
Who don't have RL cards, and support modifying, but not completely abolishing the RL.
Who don't have RL cards, and support leaving the RL alone.
And of those on both the have-RL-cards, and don't-have-RL-cards sides who support abolishing the RL list, or modifying but not abolishing the RL, there are motivations besides cards being cheaper, or worthless - from concerns about counterfeiters being motivated by how the RL is now, to the health of the formats that utilize RL cards, to the design space that is eaten away from both the RL, and the "spirit of the RL" (IMO garbage) excuse used more and more it feels.
Pardon this rant, but it just pisses me off that people (BOTH the rabidly pro-RL, AND the rabidly anti-RL) pigeonhole people so dishonestly, as it creates the very venom that makes this issue so god damn contentious, and hard to engage in fruitfully.
so many can't even comprehend why the list was created in the first place, and constantly feel all cards should be worthless.
Erm ... being a bit inflammatory are we? I'm sure that not wanting the RL to remain as-is, or not wanting it to remain at all, doesn't mean wanting cards to be worthless, and it's more complicated than that... otherwise, why do a lot of desirable non-RL cards hold a non-zero value?
Not to mention that it, IMO, perpetuates a false dichotomy with regards to the people who support or oppose the RL - in that, it helps perpetuate the pigeonholing of people as "having RL cards = pro-RL' not having RL = anti-RL," which is BS. Seriously, in parsing many discussions on the subject, here, on Twitter, on YouTube, and on Facebook, I've seen people:
Who have RL cards, and support abolishing the RL.
Who have RL cards, and support modifying, but not completely abolishing the RL.
Who have RL cards, and support leaving the RL alone.
Who don't have RL cards, and support abolishing the RL.
Who don't have RL cards, and support modifying, but not completely abolishing the RL.
Who don't have RL cards, and support leaving the RL alone.
And of those on both the have-RL-cards, and don't-have-RL-cards sides who support abolishing the RL list, or modifying but not abolishing the RL, there are motivations besides cards being cheaper, or worthless - from concerns about counterfeiters being motivated by how the RL is now, to the health of the formats that utilize RL cards, to the design space that is eaten away from both the RL, and the "spirit of the RL" (IMO garbage) excuse used more and more it feels.
Pardon this rant, but it just pisses me off that people (BOTH the rabidly pro-RL, AND the rabidly anti-RL) pigeonhole people so dishonestly, as it creates the very venom that makes this issue so god damn contentious, and hard to engage in fruitfully.
sure, that's true
but there is also a large subset of players who just don't understand it and feel every card should be worth the same amount as every other card, generally these are newer players. so its not an completely invalid observation. we don't even have to go far to see it, it pops up on this very forum every few weeks
I feel as though Local Game Stores are too reliant on people within their local communities who own Reserve List cards that are willing to sell to the store so they can buy them back later as long as they're able to afford it. One of my friends did this awhile back where he sold a $200+ Lion's Eye Diamond at the LGS near my house though he might of sold a playset for $800 and bought the cards back later taking advantage of the Secondary Market. Some of my other friends did this same method with non-Reserve List cards except they sometimes ended up getting bought out by other customers especially with reprints being made for them.
At the other LGS I go to on Saturdays I've rarely ever seen this take place anymore especially since they no longer have older Paper Magic cards in their retail area showcase due to the ongoing pandemic. They figured the newer cards would have a lower risk of contracting COVID-19 than older cards which surprisingly hasn't stopped them from receiving Buylist orders from customers who're needing the store credit to support the store. They still sell older Paper Magic singles, they just won't display them due to COVID-19 protocols. Not sure If the other LGS I go to is like that since I haven't been down there for 6 months.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
America Bless Christ Jesus
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
As much as I'd hate to admit it, yeah I do think the risk would be worth the reward. At the end of the day LGSs make more money off of cards that are currently losing them money within the Secondary Market, players would still have a physical location to hang out with their friends to play Paper Magic, and Wizards of the Coast would probably profit off of their Secret Lair drops more than they already are which would kind of be a double-edged sword in this type of hypothetical scenario. I just don't see how this would be a lose-lose situation. Sure EDH / Commander might become more expensive as an end result but what else?
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
we have a platform here that allows every single player to buy and sell cards. and this platform would be a harder competition for the LGS. some LGS use it themselves, but probably not to save the physicial LGS location, cause they dont need that due to the platform.
we also have buyouts on that platform, but those are rarely happening because of LGS but because of speculation. so an extended reserved list wouldnt help LGS, but those who can effort to gamble.
tbh i think the reserved list hurts the magic community. and a damaged magic community hurts the LGS in the end.
LGS need to switch from "being the store where you purchase cards to being the place where you play with your friends"
unfortunatly most stores are run by people who wanted to make their hobby their profession, which why a lot of amateurs run these businesses and which is why they are not capable to adjusting to the changed environment.
if wizards wants to help these retard owned LGS, they actually could get rid of the whole reserved list and make them promo cards which you can only win at tournaments in an LGS. this would bring alot of people back into the store.
ofc this will never happen. what will happen is, that they get rid of it and that they will try to sell it in super whale products.
my point is... increasing the reserved list wont solve the problem
That these cards are expensive is great, it makes them overall more "collectable" items.
Getting them is more of an achievement, its long term collect-ability of the game (or a very large bank account, which goes hand in hand).
Almost all the cards you could buy from the reserved list did go up in price and you made money investing in them (in addition to just having them for your decks, and because you enjoy the art etc.).
All the cards that are NOT on a reserved list have a major risk to get reprinted and lose tremendous value.
So thats a danger.
If cards are guaranteed to not be reprinted, especially not on demand, you get a reasonable collectable item.
----
All the casuals that just want some cards should never invest money in the game at all, just print the proxy cards for all the decks you want and play with your friends, thats totally enough ; its borderline stupid to pay hundreds or thousands of bucks just to play casually.
If you dont want to invest in "art" you can just not do it (and still get the cards to play with).
That people spend money just to have some casual decks boggles my mind.
----
People that spend a bunch of money in standard cards are almost guaranteed to be very annoyed when they rotate and the value completely crashes.
Former expensive cards become borderline crap cards, worth not even a dollar.
----
LGS in Europe sell a lot of Booster packs, Commander decks, very little singles.
The shops that invest in mass openings of product and selling singles do exist, but the market does not allow for too many to exist.
Flipping product on retail is way easier than opening for singles.
Price tagging each card, the work to handle all the stock and the entire time is just too valuable (and the risk of theft is huge too, if you have lots of expensive product people steal that stuff and a shop usually cannot handle such a lose).
WUBRG#BlackLotusMatterWUBRG
👮👮👮 #BlueLivesMatter 👮👮👮
They printed cards then and continue to do so because they're game pieces to be played with and traded against one another primarily among players (and collectors), and obviously because it's a product which creates profitable revenue for them (and their partners).
The fact that certain cards have monetary value as individual singles on the secondary market due to artificially diminished supply and inflated player demand is purely incidental, or at most the result of unanticipated product popularity.
Anyone who played back in the day knows the List was started due to Chronicles which was a complete disaster. Love it or hate it, it was the right decision, one which I will always support, one which saved this game, so those among you who don't like it need to acknowledge that you probably never would've even been introduced to this game without it, because it would have faded into obscurity with countless other CCGs back in the mid-late 90s.
If they printed every good competitive and efficient card en-masse at common rarity (again, like they did back then) they may lose the confidence of long term collectors, but at least then everyone could actually play the deck they want to play affordably. Ask yourselves... Is that what every player truly wants deep down? Alas, that would mean fewer packs being sold, which is bad for Wizards, LGSs, and ultimately bad for players if they go under and the product stops evolving, being distributed, and live events are no longer being hosted. From my perspective, the high and ever-increasing value of cards (especially commander staples) is nothing short of irrefutable evidence that this game is still extremely successful at attracting new players and retaining old ones despite the pandemic situation, which is impressive, and a good thing we should all be happy about and proud to support. After so many years of market and reprint patterns, there are things about this game we should all understand and accept by now, for better or worse.
As for expanding or expunging the list, be careful what you wish for
I used to be a demigod, but now I'm an omnimage
If MTG is old enough to be an antique collectible from a bygone era then what does that say about Paper Trading Card Games / Collectible Card Games as a whole in 2020? What does that say about all the cardboard wasted on this genre when the companies behind these games are only looking for short-term gains instead of actually putting in the work to compete against MTG? They've already done all they could over the last couple decades so unless your card game is either Yu-Gi-Oh! or Pokémon, you're not getting a piece of the pie. You can't have multiple Secondary Markets per Paper Trading Card Game / Collectible Card Game and not expect some kind of retraction with how much of these products in terms of buying / selling Singles that Local Game Stores are able to handle. The amount of inventory they're able to carry is dependent on the stores' overhead and geography.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
1) Increase prize support for tournaments with desirable, needed cards.
2) Create products specifically for WPN locations.
3) Sell product directly to stores, bypassing distributors.
4) Support more formats at events.
All things that WOTC had done in the past.
These are only a few things, I'm sure there are others.
M21 is getting so many variants w collector boosters containing borderless while set not being strong that inventory sitting on shelf.
Jumpstart was a demanded product that LGS got almost nothing initially and restock was 5+ weeks later while Target was getting new packs every week at a lower price.
If wizards values LGS, give them product to sell as a priority versus heavily discounted big box stores.
if wizards really wants to support the lgs one of the best things they could do is prioritize the lgs over big box stores like target and walmart. stop hyping amazon as a place for preorders. shift the emphasis to the little guy. add store exclusives, communicate better with stores, ensure they get all the product that they need.
that also means changing distribution.
currently, the bigger the store the higher the priority to get product. i've seen some stores get pallets of product, while others have to order from said store off amazon to ensure that they get ANY product. all while walmart and target stay stocked. how is that fair to the lgs, and why would customers come back to the lgs level store if they can't even get product?
i mean, look at the last batch of commander precons. they were impossible to find anywhere except big box stores. most shops in my area you could preorder through, but you had to take the entire case, all 5 decks, because 3 of the 5 would just rot on the shelf. that meant they weren't going to buy more unless they sold through what they had. meanwhile targets and walmarts can handle the volume so your chances of getting what you wanted through them was much higher. still a gamble, but you at least had a chance.
then there's sets and mechanics.
design sets we want to play with. design mechanics that are fun and interesting. reprint cards that fit. balance. balance. balance. if you make it fun and interactive, if you make us feel we're getting our money's worth, we'll go to events. we'll go to events and buy product. no gimmick necessary. just good solid sets.
they could also make secret lairs available exclusively through the lgs instead of ordered direct from wizards.
there are just SO many options open to them to support the lgs and instead they'd rather throw more gambling into packs, more gimmicks into sets, and throw more product at big box stores. its shameful really.
No one who cares about Paper Magic should argue for the expansion of the Reserve List and should have an interest in getting rid of it. A reprint of the Alpha / Beta / Unlimited Duals with a new frame and artwork would actually *help* the Secondary Market because everyone who plays Eternal Formats like Legacy, Vintage, and EDH / Commander would want them not to mention expunging the Reserve List altogether would put a massive dent in the Counterfeit Market which is currently taking potential sales away from Local Game Stores affected by the ongoing pandemic. It's unlikely that expunging the Reserve List wouldn't really affect the pricing of Reserve List staples in terms of a market downturn in how it relates to a grassroots store.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
as said earlier in this thread, there are many places to get product now, so we need to focus on the LGS as a place to play and gather with your friends.
Sure there will be much anger at first... but then ppl realised they don't need or don't want to buy those cards anyway (there is a reason they are cheap ya)
You must remember most of the RL cards were worthless before some joker thought it was a good idea to buyout moat.
The different between cards of that era and now is... there is literally a ***** ton of cards now heh
Reality is but a perception of your being --
Visit my blog!!! - http://huffalump-magic.blogspot.com/
"The brain is wider than the sky,
For, put them side by side,
The one the other will include
With ease, and you beside."
—Emily Dickinson
For sales or trade, visit my blog or visit my ebay blog for my listings :http://myworld.ebay.com/arcane7828
881
Oooh Dicey:
[dice=1]100[/dice]
look at the foil japanese alternate art Liliana Dreadhorde General.
Worth thousands... now tell me how many people will go to the LGS and buy it there ?
Erm ... being a bit inflammatory are we? I'm sure that not wanting the RL to remain as-is, or not wanting it to remain at all, doesn't mean wanting cards to be worthless, and it's more complicated than that... otherwise, why do a lot of desirable non-RL cards hold a non-zero value?
Not to mention that it, IMO, perpetuates a false dichotomy with regards to the people who support or oppose the RL - in that, it helps perpetuate the pigeonholing of people as "having RL cards = pro-RL' not having RL = anti-RL," which is BS. Seriously, in parsing many discussions on the subject, here, on Twitter, on YouTube, and on Facebook, I've seen people:
Pardon this rant, but it just pisses me off that people (BOTH the rabidly pro-RL, AND the rabidly anti-RL) pigeonhole people so dishonestly, as it creates the very venom that makes this issue so god damn contentious, and hard to engage in fruitfully.
sure, that's true
but there is also a large subset of players who just don't understand it and feel every card should be worth the same amount as every other card, generally these are newer players. so its not an completely invalid observation. we don't even have to go far to see it, it pops up on this very forum every few weeks
At the other LGS I go to on Saturdays I've rarely ever seen this take place anymore especially since they no longer have older Paper Magic cards in their retail area showcase due to the ongoing pandemic. They figured the newer cards would have a lower risk of contracting COVID-19 than older cards which surprisingly hasn't stopped them from receiving Buylist orders from customers who're needing the store credit to support the store. They still sell older Paper Magic singles, they just won't display them due to COVID-19 protocols. Not sure If the other LGS I go to is like that since I haven't been down there for 6 months.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta