Casual edh works best if you are somewhat drunk and just want to play some wacky decks and everyone does the same.
Politics can be quick and simple or drawn out waste of time, the entire FreeForAll format adds a level of politics to the game that a 1vs1 game does not have.
But if all the crap is dragged down the politics game, it becomes extremely slow and annoying.
*Simple example. If a player has a counterspell, instead of waiting for it, simply reveal you have it and say that you will counter any mass removal or removal against your creature, which might change how players opt to play if thats in your interest. Showing a mass removal in your hand so they dont attack you is also a viable option, its quick and pragmatic, but nobody is bound to honor the promises they make.
If people just want to randomly do stuff without the intention to play to win, then the game drags a lot.
Thats "ok" in casual, if the game goes reasonable quickly and turns dont drag forever.
The casual ban-list is not really a thing, its more a recommendation for people and its pretty much worthless anyway.
I would always recommend to play whatever cards you have no matter what and remove cards that are not enjoyable anymore (winning with the same combo over and over will get boring fairly quickly).
In cEDH its all about winning the game. If all agree you get intense games, which is almost always a race to who can pull the game winning combo off.
If all players are aware thats the game, they pack removal and answers accordingly, and still some games end quickly, as thats how it goes (in which case you simply start a new game).
If cEDH and casual mix together the mindset is just wrong and it cant end well.
People will annoy each other and that cant work.
If you have people that understand the rules well and play quickly, mixed with people that barely understand the rules (or even worse, "think" they understand the rules and simply dont) the game gets problematic if people just annoy each other.
Thats not going to work out.
Can we stop calling it casual? Competitive EDH is barely a thing now a days and nobody really cares about it. And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point. I dont date a chick for years and tell people "yeah im just casually dating. we only been together but half a decade but ya know obviously casual....".
Why EDH is stupid is because it just says screws the rules I have money or that I am insecure about myself. WoTC makes rules for a reason. If you dont like them then go play another card game. When I sit down to play a game made by someone else, I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer. I dont care that you think counterspells are stupid, chances are your stupid (not you personally, just an example). Like what kind of nonsense is that? Just play the ****ing game, I dont want your life story that someone played stone rain and you threatened to jump off the grand canyon, see a therapist and quit magic since you have bigger problems.
And that my friend is why EDH is the worst. Majority of the fan ban is sad. And they should be sad since its like you take some of the worse human beings alive and have them play magic basically.
Brawl is just standard EDH and the rest your describing arent formats. Those are different variants of magic all together. A format is when the card pool is changed. If I play a version of magic that involves no pants but the cards legal are not any different than standard, thats not a format.
Then by your metric EDH isnt a format (Which is one point that annoyed you yet you decribe it as not a format)
Officially EDH, 2HG are Formats but if the official definition doesn't sit well with you you should exclude Draft and Sealed as well as they are a different variant by your definition (technically Conspiracy Unstable as well)
If you don't like commander thats fine not every format(or Variant) is for everyone. There are valid reasons to dislike EDH or even just gut feeling is ok. But don't make up nonsense stuff.
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And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point.
Casuality isn't a matter of time but intention if i do beer league sports for 10 years that doesn't make it competetive it's still a casual thing. And again there are a lot of people who started playing magic with edh.
I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer
Those also change a lot, and hobbiists can be game designers as well hence the Variant of commander was designed and you can either
Just play the ****ing [variant]
or
If you dont like them then go play another [variant]
Brawl is just standard EDH and the rest your describing arent formats. Those are different variants of magic all together. A format is when the card pool is changed. If I play a version of magic that involves no pants but the cards legal are not any different than standard, thats not a format.
Then by your metric EDH isnt a format (Which is one point that annoyed you yet you decribe it as not a format)
Officially EDH, 2HG are Formats but if the official definition doesn't sit well with you you should exclude Draft and Sealed as well as they are a different variant by your definition (technically Conspiracy Unstable as well)
If you don't like commander thats fine not every format(or Variant) is for everyone. There are valid reasons to dislike EDH or even just gut feeling is ok. But don't make up nonsense stuff.
EDIT:
And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point.
Casuality isn't a matter of time but intention if i do beer league sports for 10 years that doesn't make it competetive it's still a casual thing. And again there are a lot of people who started playing magic with edh.
I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer
Those also change a lot, and hobbiists can be game designers as well hence the Variant of commander was designed and you can either
Just play the ****ing [variant]
or
If you dont like them then go play another [variant]
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None of what your saying makes sense. EDH is a different format since it has a different (supposed) ban list and a different card pool along with different rules. 2HG is not a format. Its only played at pre-releases and is just an extension of draft. A format involves a completely different card pool, hence the term format, as in your reformatting or restructuring something, typically a card pool in magic's terms. If I play Legacy standing on one foot, that isnt a format. Its a different way to play magic but its not a format (not even one recognized by anyone either).
You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual. Sorry but this is just getting stupid at this point. Your a cardboard crackhead and are just trying to justify your fix. I wish magic players would stop acting like this. This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.
Politics is not borne from EDH/Commander but is a natural effect of playing a multiplayer game where you're allowed to talk to each other. Also, in a game like Magic where a creature can only attack one player at a time, politics is built into the mainframe of the game as soon as you add a third player. Your weak political game will get better with experience. Things like spite and collusion will be annoying forever, but there are ways to manipulate people when they react this way.
You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual.
Casual aka just for fun that is my definition of casual which is also one of the main dictionary definitions of casual.
This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.
I mean, horde magic should run two banlist, a “banned from the horde” and “banned from the players” it’s just that the official who made it didn’t want to bother with upkeep after its inception. I had a page but lost it after my domain hosts went belly up, but there are primers in this forum that would have the recommended ban lists.
Next time I get to a non work computer I can send you the ban lists if you are actually interested.
The best part about horde is the table works together. The horde should be built in a way that it just needs someone to move the cards, so it has no politicking just strategizing.
Archenemy scheme cards are only used in archenemy. Planechase card’s are cards specifically made for planechase. Both are different sizes so they cannot even be used in a typical deck. You can even go all the way back to Vanguard if you like, as all players have to use Vanguard cards or none can.
Cube drafts can use conspiracy type cards, where nondraft formats cannot.
My TL;DR us this: I gave you a list of alternative ways to play multiplayer magic. Trying to help here.
I mean, horde magic should run two banlist, a “banned from the horde” and “banned from the players” it’s just that the official who made it didn’t want to bother with upkeep after its inception. I had a page but lost it after my domain hosts went belly up, but there are primers in this forum that would have the recommended ban lists.
Next time I get to a non work computer I can send you the ban lists if you are actually interested.
The best part about horde is the table works together. The horde should be built in a way that it just needs someone to move the cards, so it has no politicking just strategizing.
Archenemy scheme cards are only used in archenemy. Planechase card’s are cards specifically made for planechase. Both are different sizes so they cannot even be used in a typical deck. You can even go all the way back to Vanguard if you like, as all players have to use Vanguard cards or none can.
Cube drafts can use conspiracy type cards, where nondraft formats cannot.
My TL;DR us this: I gave you a list of alternative ways to play multiplayer magic. Trying to help here.
With all due respect, a majority of people dont play most of the formats your talking about. EDH is the only widely played format that is multiplayer.
If I made up a format tomorrow called sausage fest big guys to where its 4 naked dudes playing a basement and can only use green decks, thats not a real thing that most people care about.
You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual.
Casual aka just for fun that is my definition of casual which is also one of the main dictionary definitions of casual.
This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.
Would you say its casual
Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here. You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing. I dont get why your persisting that its more than that since its not. Im sure theres 100s of failed magic formats or variants that nobody cares about that maybe because you played it one time that it means something.
I mean, horde magic should run two banlist, a “banned from the horde” and “banned from the players” it’s just that the official who made it didn’t want to bother with upkeep after its inception. I had a page but lost it after my domain hosts went belly up, but there are primers in this forum that would have the recommended ban lists.
Next time I get to a non work computer I can send you the ban lists if you are actually interested.
The best part about horde is the table works together. The horde should be built in a way that it just needs someone to move the cards, so it has no politicking just strategizing.
Archenemy scheme cards are only used in archenemy. Planechase card’s are cards specifically made for planechase. Both are different sizes so they cannot even be used in a typical deck. You can even go all the way back to Vanguard if you like, as all players have to use Vanguard cards or none can.
Cube drafts can use conspiracy type cards, where nondraft formats cannot.
My TL;DR us this: I gave you a list of alternative ways to play multiplayer magic. Trying to help here.
I'll take you up on your TL;DR. I've never heard of Horde and I've been playing Magic off/on since Ice Age. Can you send me a deck list sample or direct me to a resource?
I'm also a competitive Monopoly player, 30+ years and half a dozen board "printings" though I largely play the XBONE edition lately. Competitive video gamer a lot longer. Still have my original Atari's... all of them. but I digress, I'll take you up on any competitive Monopoly meet-ups as well....
You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing
If you say so then it must be true right? Yes EDH is the most widely played multiplayer format but that doesnt mean the others aren't seeing play. 2hg 3hg emporor and just basic multiplayer are the backbone of at least half the just for fun (aka casual but since you don't like the term :D) playgroups even if they don't play/enjoy commander. Until recently there has been 2hg in MTGO and there are still quite a few that dislike that they got rid of it.
Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here.
I (and atleast one other Person) call you a troll since you a)Just made an account to write this b)Start with an inflammatory piece instead of a calm opinion piece just to rile people up and then get mad when people are riled up (AKA rile them up some more for that sweet sweet troll value :D) c) Make stuff up and when presented with evidence for the contrary claim that that doesn't matter anyways.
You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing
If you say so then it must be true right? Yes EDH is the most widely played multiplayer format but that doesnt mean the others aren't seeing play. 2hg 3hg emporor and just basic multiplayer are the backbone of at least half the just for fun (aka casual but since you don't like the term :D) playgroups even if they don't play/enjoy commander. Until recently there has been 2hg in MTGO and there are still quite a few that dislike that they got rid of it.
Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here.
I (and atleast one other Person) call you a troll since you a)Just made an account to write this b)Start with an inflammatory piece instead of a calm opinion piece just to rile people up and then get mad when people are riled up (AKA rile them up some more for that sweet sweet troll value :D) c) Make stuff up and when presented with evidence for the contrary claim that that doesn't matter anyways.
At this point I dont think you have a point. Your arguing for the sake of arguing. Your projecting at this point since its clear that your trolling and you probably made your account to just talk garbage.
And just because you disagree with something doesnt mean that its "inflammatory". Sorry that your offended that your most precious format is a massive contradiction but it is what it is. Its not my fault that its stupid. Blame WoTC and their backwards thinking along with neckbeard judges who were too bad at magic to come up with anything decent.
There is a place for discussion about the popularity of formats, and even for questioning appeal that you don't understand. However this thread starts off immediately inflammatory and trolling to elicit responses - and then spirals downhill into insults from there.
Can we stop calling it casual? Competitive EDH is barely a thing now a days and nobody really cares about it. And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point. I dont date a chick for years and tell people "yeah im just casually dating. we only been together but half a decade but ya know obviously casual....".
Why EDH is stupid is because it just says screws the rules I have money or that I am insecure about myself. WoTC makes rules for a reason. If you dont like them then go play another card game. When I sit down to play a game made by someone else, I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer. I dont care that you think counterspells are stupid, chances are your stupid (not you personally, just an example). Like what kind of nonsense is that? Just play the ****ing game, I dont want your life story that someone played stone rain and you threatened to jump off the grand canyon, see a therapist and quit magic since you have bigger problems.
And that my friend is why EDH is the worst. Majority of the fan ban is sad. And they should be sad since its like you take some of the worse human beings alive and have them play magic basically.
Then by your metric EDH isnt a format (Which is one point that annoyed you yet you decribe it as not a format)
Officially EDH, 2HG are Formats but if the official definition doesn't sit well with you you should exclude Draft and Sealed as well as they are a different variant by your definition (technically Conspiracy Unstable as well)
If you don't like commander thats fine not every format(or Variant) is for everyone. There are valid reasons to dislike EDH or even just gut feeling is ok. But don't make up nonsense stuff.
EDIT:
Casuality isn't a matter of time but intention if i do beer league sports for 10 years that doesn't make it competetive it's still a casual thing. And again there are a lot of people who started playing magic with edh.
Those also change a lot, and hobbiists can be game designers as well hence the Variant of commander was designed and you can either or
None of what your saying makes sense. EDH is a different format since it has a different (supposed) ban list and a different card pool along with different rules. 2HG is not a format. Its only played at pre-releases and is just an extension of draft. A format involves a completely different card pool, hence the term format, as in your reformatting or restructuring something, typically a card pool in magic's terms. If I play Legacy standing on one foot, that isnt a format. Its a different way to play magic but its not a format (not even one recognized by anyone either).
You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual. Sorry but this is just getting stupid at this point. Your a cardboard crackhead and are just trying to justify your fix. I wish magic players would stop acting like this. This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.
Wizards seems to consider draft and 2hg a format also 2hg can also be played outside of draft and was first played outside of draft anyways.
also
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Format
Casual aka just for fun that is my definition of casual which is also one of the main dictionary definitions of casual.
Would you say its casual
Next time I get to a non work computer I can send you the ban lists if you are actually interested.
The best part about horde is the table works together. The horde should be built in a way that it just needs someone to move the cards, so it has no politicking just strategizing.
Archenemy scheme cards are only used in archenemy. Planechase card’s are cards specifically made for planechase. Both are different sizes so they cannot even be used in a typical deck. You can even go all the way back to Vanguard if you like, as all players have to use Vanguard cards or none can.
Cube drafts can use conspiracy type cards, where nondraft formats cannot.
My TL;DR us this: I gave you a list of alternative ways to play multiplayer magic. Trying to help here.
With all due respect, a majority of people dont play most of the formats your talking about. EDH is the only widely played format that is multiplayer.
If I made up a format tomorrow called sausage fest big guys to where its 4 naked dudes playing a basement and can only use green decks, thats not a real thing that most people care about.
Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here. You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing. I dont get why your persisting that its more than that since its not. Im sure theres 100s of failed magic formats or variants that nobody cares about that maybe because you played it one time that it means something.
I'll take you up on your TL;DR. I've never heard of Horde and I've been playing Magic off/on since Ice Age. Can you send me a deck list sample or direct me to a resource?
I'm also a competitive Monopoly player, 30+ years and half a dozen board "printings" though I largely play the XBONE edition lately. Competitive video gamer a lot longer. Still have my original Atari's... all of them. but I digress, I'll take you up on any competitive Monopoly meet-ups as well....
I (and atleast one other Person) call you a troll since you a)Just made an account to write this b)Start with an inflammatory piece instead of a calm opinion piece just to rile people up and then get mad when people are riled up (AKA rile them up some more for that sweet sweet troll value :D) c) Make stuff up and when presented with evidence for the contrary claim that that doesn't matter anyways.
At this point I dont think you have a point. Your arguing for the sake of arguing. Your projecting at this point since its clear that your trolling and you probably made your account to just talk garbage.
And just because you disagree with something doesnt mean that its "inflammatory". Sorry that your offended that your most precious format is a massive contradiction but it is what it is. Its not my fault that its stupid. Blame WoTC and their backwards thinking along with neckbeard judges who were too bad at magic to come up with anything decent.
Carry on folks, nothing to see here!
You remind me of my cousin with down syndrome who covers his ears and starts to yell out "lalalalala" every time he doesnt want to listen to anyone.
There is a place for discussion about the popularity of formats, and even for questioning appeal that you don't understand. However this thread starts off immediately inflammatory and trolling to elicit responses - and then spirals downhill into insults from there.
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