I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
Which is, of course, the issue with this discussion and the way it has gone so far. This may be true for *you*. I am willing to accept that this may even be true for a majority of competitive players. My experience, as well as others in this thread, show that in a limited format, this card is good. It is not worth money, but honestly, 5 of my 7 rares were not worth anything in my sealed pool (luckily I opened an Ajani). I would have liked my promo to be a bomb instead of a useless card. I would have liked to have a card that made my pool better. I did not make money on my sealed pool with the promo I had. If I had a Wurm, I would not have either. However, with the Wurm, maybe my pool would have been good enough to go 3-1 or 4-0 which means I could then have made money on the prizes.
I am not suggesting that your complaints and concerns as not valid in the terms of Pack EV or value in a sealed pool. However, when you say thing like "100% feel bad" this suggests that you are entirely focused on one aspect of a set: the value in packs. And this is not what everyone is looking for. Not everyone opens packs for value. Some want to play the game. And some want to play the game via the Draft or Sealed formats and do well. Bombs like this allow those players to do well and putting it at rare allows that without warping the limited environment.
Also:
Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft
This is more accurate. Way more packs are cracked for fun and by casual players than will ever be opened by limited players *or* collectors. The latter already know cracking packs will not get them what they want; they just buy the cards. The former are a group of players that nowhere near rivals that of casual players. And, I would reiterate what I said a bunch of posts back: a casual, for fun, player who just wants to play the game will most likely have no issue opening this as their rare. I have taught a number of people how to play and one in particular immediately gravitated to the Pelakka Wurm that was part of the cards I gave them. They had no concern of the value of their cards; they just wanted to play. And Wurm is enticing to play with.
Okay, I'll capitulate a bit. How about 99% feels bad?
They could have put Worldspine Wurm or Craterhoof Behemoth at lowered rarity in that slot instead. And if not those how about Avatar of Might or Terastodon staying at rare. Would have hit the big green Timmy card for draft/limited AND provided a more valuable reprint for those in constructed. Or how about just designing a NEW big green creature and printing it in that slot. One that could hit the draft diehards but also be of possible use the 99% of the rest of playership. I'm not letting Wizards off the hook on this one and many are willing to give them a pass on these poor decisions when it comes to value and/or constructed playability.
I hear what you say and agree with part of it. Just because its right for a tiny sliver of playership doesn't make it right for the MAJORITY of playership. It should have been left at uncommon, period. I've got to leave it at that.
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Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Try not to mix different issues together or compare them against each other what is worse.
The solution is to avoid all of them, not blame each problem with the other to somehow "justify" them and just keep the problem.
NO for real, avoid problems and find solutions.
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Ofcourse there are cards so terrible in Limited that they are borderline unplayable.
These cards are always annoying to have in Limited.
A card that is flat out unplayable is always a bad moment. If the card at least does something in constructed, thats something.
But that issue will always be true as long as Limited and Constructed cards are in the same product.
They could ofcourse sell boosters with constructed cards and boosters with Limited card (which are flat out worse, but cheaper, as they are for draft / limited).
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As long as cards are mixed , you will always have the odd unplayable cards in your pool, which is a major downside, but its also fundamentally tied to the booster business model and will most likely never change (but we still get non-randomized product like Commander decks that are massively successful, and for casual players thats a much better payout).
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The Pelakka Wurm issue however has nothing to do with opening crap rares.
Its not even a bad card at all in a vacuum, but there still is the fact that its upshifted from uncommon to rare.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Its the same deal with a rares upshifted to mythic, if they are absolutely worthless ; the existence of Tree of Redemption is a meme and shops even promoted a special deal with that abomination of a stupidity (like open a Tree and get a new Booster for free, right in the store immediately).
Upshifting cards is just always terrible, outside of very few exceptions of expensive cards from the past ; when rarity was pretty much not a real thing (namely Force of Will, Mana Drain and friends). Nobody will argue against any of them, but it should be obvisious to anyone that thats not the issue of something like Pelakka Wurm.
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Simply imagine they printed a different card, somewhat equal to the wurm (and no, not a direct 1to1 copy with a different name, thats just "almost" as terrible and pretty much on the same level of stupidity of R&D).
A new card might be equally good or bad as the reprint, but AT LEAST its a new card, so its already strictly superior to a reprint in the same rarity ; but if you upshift the rarity, it will only upset people badly.
There is pretty much nobody that says "I like that they upshifted Pelakka Wurm to rare" , and if there is, i call that person downright insane and they should slap themselves for that (seriously, who actively enjoys getting handed crap and then turns to call that a great present, cmon, have some dignity).
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Is it the end of the world ?
No.
But its something they pull from time to time and it should never happen at all, as it simply has only downsides of making people seriously angry about it.
I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
Which is, of course, the issue with this discussion and the way it has gone so far. This may be true for *you*. I am willing to accept that this may even be true for a majority of competitive players. My experience, as well as others in this thread, show that in a limited format, this card is good. It is not worth money, but honestly, 5 of my 7 rares were not worth anything in my sealed pool (luckily I opened an Ajani). I would have liked my promo to be a bomb instead of a useless card. I would have liked to have a card that made my pool better. I did not make money on my sealed pool with the promo I had. If I had a Wurm, I would not have either. However, with the Wurm, maybe my pool would have been good enough to go 3-1 or 4-0 which means I could then have made money on the prizes.
I am not suggesting that your complaints and concerns as not valid in the terms of Pack EV or value in a sealed pool. However, when you say thing like "100% feel bad" this suggests that you are entirely focused on one aspect of a set: the value in packs. And this is not what everyone is looking for. Not everyone opens packs for value. Some want to play the game. And some want to play the game via the Draft or Sealed formats and do well. Bombs like this allow those players to do well and putting it at rare allows that without warping the limited environment.
Also:
Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft
This is more accurate. Way more packs are cracked for fun and by casual players than will ever be opened by limited players *or* collectors. The latter already know cracking packs will not get them what they want; they just buy the cards. The former are a group of players that nowhere near rivals that of casual players. And, I would reiterate what I said a bunch of posts back: a casual, for fun, player who just wants to play the game will most likely have no issue opening this as their rare. I have taught a number of people how to play and one in particular immediately gravitated to the Pelakka Wurm that was part of the cards I gave them. They had no concern of the value of their cards; they just wanted to play. And Wurm is enticing to play with.
Okay, I'll capitulate a bit. How about 99% feels bad?
They could have put Worldspine Wurm or Craterhoof Behemoth at lowered rarity in that slot instead. And if not those how about Avatar of Might or Terastodon staying at rare. Would have hit the big green Timmy card for draft/limited AND provided a more valuable reprint for those in constructed. Or how about just designing a NEW big green creature and printing it in that slot. One that could hit the draft diehards but also be of possible use the 99% of the rest of playership. I'm not letting Wizards off the hook on this one and many are willing to give them a pass on these poor decisions when it comes to value and/or constructed playability.
I hear what you say and agree with part of it. Just because its right for a tiny sliver of playership doesn't make it right for the MAJORITY of playership. It should have been left at uncommon, period. I've got to leave it at that.
If there is a group that is a “tiny sliver”, it’s those complaining about this. There are far more who people who don’t care and understand than there are those complaining.
Want to talk about feel bad? Ever open a Masters booster? Or how about building a standard deck?
And I have a huge problem with this-
They could have put Worldspine Wurm or Craterhoof Behemoth at lowered rarity in that slot instead. And if not those how about Avatar of Might or Terastodon staying at rare.
As an owner of the former, I’d be pissed. First, they are pricey, and printing at rare would kill their worth. I pulled a CHB in a $7 Masters pack, bigger feel bad than Pelakka Wurm at rare, by a mile. Also, both would be limited warping bombs, and probably be really good in Standard. So, because you didnt get any other worthless bin rare, you’d prefer they Warp two of their primary formats? Does that even sound like a logical exchange? Of the cards listed, Avatar of Might would probably be the safest(Terastodon is out of the question, and just laughable as a suggestion, sorry), but still better than Wurm, which is a problem.
Also, this was in the PW deck. So, you’d easily have a group of whiners complaining that the PW deck got a good rare and wizards is screwing the playerbase by forcing them to buy that product.
If this thread proves anything, it’s that people as a whole will never be pleased, and they complain about anything.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Whereas those of us who aren't irrationally outraged understand that the primary purpose of rarity from Wizards' point of view (outside preconstructed products, where rarity is basically meaningless) is to control the supply of the card in Limited.
Want to talk about feel bad? Ever open a Masters booster? Or how about building a standard deck?
That's why I avoid both. Didn't buy a single pack of Massturds 25 and I don't play Standard one bit. No one is holding a gun to the buyers head and forcing them to buy the crap product. I actually waited to buy a box of Iconic Masters when in dropped to $120 USD shipped months after release. 5 bucks a pack was palatable for those and I actually got some decent stuff and came out ahead money wise.
Of the cards listed, Avatar of Might would probably be the safest(Terastodon is out of the question, and just laughable as a suggestion, sorry), but still better than Wurm, which is a problem.
So my absolute worst, most garbage, "laughable" choice in that slot, IS STILL BETTER THAN WIZARDS CHOICE OF PELAKKA WURM. Proves my point and speaks volumes doesn't it? Thanks for proving my point. As for reprint equity, I own a lot of cards myself that are at artificially high values and if the prices drop a bit to a bunch, so be it.
If this thread proves anything, it’s that people as a whole will never be pleased, and they complain about anything.
You are confusing complaining with valid critique. Of course people on the other side of an issue will try to diminish the value of a critique by calling it a complaint. NEVER SETTLE. We have too many people that do.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Try not to mix different issues together or compare them against each other what is worse.
The solution is to avoid all of them, not blame each problem with the other to somehow "justify" them and just keep the problem.
NO for real, avoid problems and find solutions.
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Ofcourse there are cards so terrible in Limited that they are borderline unplayable.
These cards are always annoying to have in Limited.
A card that is flat out unplayable is always a bad moment. If the card at least does something in constructed, thats something.
But that issue will always be true as long as Limited and Constructed cards are in the same product.
They could ofcourse sell boosters with constructed cards and boosters with Limited card (which are flat out worse, but cheaper, as they are for draft / limited).
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As long as cards are mixed , you will always have the odd unplayable cards in your pool, which is a major downside, but its also fundamentally tied to the booster business model and will most likely never change (but we still get non-randomized product like Commander decks that are massively successful, and for casual players thats a much better payout).
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The Pelakka Wurm issue however has nothing to do with opening crap rares.
Its not even a bad card at all in a vacuum, but there still is the fact that its upshifted from uncommon to rare.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Its the same deal with a rares upshifted to mythic, if they are absolutely worthless ; the existence of Tree of Redemption is a meme and shops even promoted a special deal with that abomination of a stupidity (like open a Tree and get a new Booster for free, right in the store immediately).
Upshifting cards is just always terrible, outside of very few exceptions of expensive cards from the past ; when rarity was pretty much not a real thing (namely Force of Will, Mana Drain and friends). Nobody will argue against any of them, but it should be obvisious to anyone that thats not the issue of something like Pelakka Wurm.
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Simply imagine they printed a different card, somewhat equal to the wurm (and no, not a direct 1to1 copy with a different name, thats just "almost" as terrible and pretty much on the same level of stupidity of R&D).
A new card might be equally good or bad as the reprint, but AT LEAST its a new card, so its already strictly superior to a reprint in the same rarity ; but if you upshift the rarity, it will only upset people badly.
There is pretty much nobody that says "I like that they upshifted Pelakka Wurm to rare" , and if there is, i call that person downright insane and they should slap themselves for that (seriously, who actively enjoys getting handed crap and then turns to call that a great present, cmon, have some dignity).
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Is it the end of the world ?
No.
But its something they pull from time to time and it should never happen at all, as it simply has only downsides of making people seriously angry about it.
This should be requisite reading for this thread. Well thought out and well presented. Thank you.
And I like the idea of draft/limited packs vs. constructed/casual to competitive. Would solve a lot of problems.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Whereas those of us who aren't irrationally outraged understand that the primary purpose of rarity from Wizards' point of view (outside preconstructed products, where rarity is basically meaningless) is to control the supply of the card in Limited.
Naivety is both a boon and a curse.
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Its not outright wrong, but its also just a particularly small part of the coin.
Rarity is so much more in the game, and nobody can deny that.
Rarity even carries a meaning at this point with Pauper and WotC clearly indicates that they will take it into account for future set design (they simply make stuff common just to please Pauper).
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Whereas those of us who aren't irrationally outraged understand that the primary purpose of rarity from Wizards' point of view (outside preconstructed products, where rarity is basically meaningless) is to control the supply of the card in Limited.
…. and cater to the 1% of playership who cares about it over the 99% of playership that is annoyed by it. Look there are many good inclusions in this set, but that doesn't mean we need to ignore the steaming turd upshift that THEY KNOW creates 99% feel bad on opening.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Of the cards listed, Avatar of Might would probably be the safest(Terastodon is out of the question, and just laughable as a suggestion, sorry), but still better than Wurm, which is a problem.
So my absolute worst, most garbage, "laughable" choice in that slot, IS STILL BETTER THAN WIZARDS CHOICE OF PELAKKA WURM. Proves my point and speaks volumes doesn't it? Thanks for proving my point. As for reprint equity, I own a lot of cards myself that are at artificially high values and if the prices drop a bit to a bunch, so be it.
Um... read what you're quoting a little closer. Avatar of Might isn't being called laughable, Terastodon is. And Terastodon isn't being called laughable because it's bad, but because it's too good (and also encourages land destruction, which Wizards doesn't like to print much if any of any more). The text you're quoting isn't saying Avatar of Might is a better choice for the set than Pelakka Wurm, it's saying Avatar of Might is a stronger card than Pelakka Wurm, and putting it into this limited environment instead would be a bad thing.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Whereas those of us who aren't irrationally outraged understand that the primary purpose of rarity from Wizards' point of view (outside preconstructed products, where rarity is basically meaningless) is to control the supply of the card in Limited.
…. and cater to the 1% of playership who cares about it over the 99% of playership that is annoyed by it. Look there are many good inclusions in this set, but that doesn't mean we need to ignore the steaming turd upshift that THEY KNOW creates 99% feel bad on opening.
You have those percents backwards. The vast majority of players are casuals who probably don't even know the wurm was upshifted so they can't be angry. They know this which is why they do it. The 1%* that cares is irrelevant because 1% will be mad at any and all decisions.
*Its obviously not 1% but it is an insignificantly small amount. Competative players need to take a step back and realize they are the minority which is why Wizards is constantly catering to the casual majority. If you can do this you can actually give helpful feed back rather than pointless point out things that you don't like that were never meant for you.
I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
Which is, of course, the issue with this discussion and the way it has gone so far. This may be true for *you*. I am willing to accept that this may even be true for a majority of competitive players. My experience, as well as others in this thread, show that in a limited format, this card is good. It is not worth money, but honestly, 5 of my 7 rares were not worth anything in my sealed pool (luckily I opened an Ajani). I would have liked my promo to be a bomb instead of a useless card. I would have liked to have a card that made my pool better. I did not make money on my sealed pool with the promo I had. If I had a Wurm, I would not have either. However, with the Wurm, maybe my pool would have been good enough to go 3-1 or 4-0 which means I could then have made money on the prizes.
I am not suggesting that your complaints and concerns as not valid in the terms of Pack EV or value in a sealed pool. However, when you say thing like "100% feel bad" this suggests that you are entirely focused on one aspect of a set: the value in packs. And this is not what everyone is looking for. Not everyone opens packs for value. Some want to play the game. And some want to play the game via the Draft or Sealed formats and do well. Bombs like this allow those players to do well and putting it at rare allows that without warping the limited environment.
Also:
Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft
This is more accurate. Way more packs are cracked for fun and by casual players than will ever be opened by limited players *or* collectors. The latter already know cracking packs will not get them what they want; they just buy the cards. The former are a group of players that nowhere near rivals that of casual players. And, I would reiterate what I said a bunch of posts back: a casual, for fun, player who just wants to play the game will most likely have no issue opening this as their rare. I have taught a number of people how to play and one in particular immediately gravitated to the Pelakka Wurm that was part of the cards I gave them. They had no concern of the value of their cards; they just wanted to play. And Wurm is enticing to play with.
Okay, I'll capitulate a bit. How about 99% feels bad?
They could have put Worldspine Wurm or Craterhoof Behemoth at lowered rarity in that slot instead. And if not those how about Avatar of Might or Terastodon staying at rare. Would have hit the big green Timmy card for draft/limited AND provided a more valuable reprint for those in constructed. Or how about just designing a NEW big green creature and printing it in that slot. One that could hit the draft diehards but also be of possible use the 99% of the rest of playership. I'm not letting Wizards off the hook on this one and many are willing to give them a pass on these poor decisions when it comes to value and/or constructed playability.
I hear what you say and agree with part of it. Just because its right for a tiny sliver of playership doesn't make it right for the MAJORITY of playership. It should have been left at uncommon, period. I've got to leave it at that.
Terastodan in a generic limited format would be a limited all-star. In Dominara we have Thorn Elemental at uncommon at the same cmc. Thorn Elemental was previously a rare. Should it have been here instead? As others have said, Wurm was an uncommon in a battlecruiser set. 95% of sets Wurm is a rare yet some people want to hold onto that rarity. Why don't people complain about Elemental. As far as cracking a pack, more than half of rares in any set are bulk Opening one Pelakka Wurm isn't going to kill your EVQ more than say One with the Machine or Djinn of Wishes.
Terastodon is just an example FFS. One with the Machine is a new card amd Djinn of Wishes always was a rare so they are not comprable to the wurm. Why would complain about downshift of rarity? Thats good for everyone..
Terastodon is just an example FFS. One with the Machine is a new card amd Djinn of Wishes always was a rare so they are not comprable to the wurm. Why would complain about downshift of rarity? Thats good for everyone..
What is a better card... Thorn Elemental or Pelakka Wurm? It doesn't also dispute the point that WOTC prints garbage rares all the damn time. Wizards also made mistakes on rarity all the damn time. Wurm should have never been an uncommon. The card has psuedo evasion, a good and relevant ETB effect and replaces itself when it dies. That is a rare power level card
Try not to mix different issues together or compare them against each other what is worse.
The solution is to avoid all of them, not blame each problem with the other to somehow "justify" them and just keep the problem.
NO for real, avoid problems and find solutions.
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Ofcourse there are cards so terrible in Limited that they are borderline unplayable.
These cards are always annoying to have in Limited.
A card that is flat out unplayable is always a bad moment. If the card at least does something in constructed, thats something.
But that issue will always be true as long as Limited and Constructed cards are in the same product.
They could ofcourse sell boosters with constructed cards and boosters with Limited card (which are flat out worse, but cheaper, as they are for draft / limited).
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As long as cards are mixed , you will always have the odd unplayable cards in your pool, which is a major downside, but its also fundamentally tied to the booster business model and will most likely never change (but we still get non-randomized product like Commander decks that are massively successful, and for casual players thats a much better payout).
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The Pelakka Wurm issue however has nothing to do with opening crap rares.
Its not even a bad card at all in a vacuum, but there still is the fact that its upshifted from uncommon to rare.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Its the same deal with a rares upshifted to mythic, if they are absolutely worthless ; the existence of Tree of Redemption is a meme and shops even promoted a special deal with that abomination of a stupidity (like open a Tree and get a new Booster for free, right in the store immediately).
Upshifting cards is just always terrible, outside of very few exceptions of expensive cards from the past ; when rarity was pretty much not a real thing (namely Force of Will, Mana Drain and friends). Nobody will argue against any of them, but it should be obvisious to anyone that thats not the issue of something like Pelakka Wurm.
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Simply imagine they printed a different card, somewhat equal to the wurm (and no, not a direct 1to1 copy with a different name, thats just "almost" as terrible and pretty much on the same level of stupidity of R&D).
A new card might be equally good or bad as the reprint, but AT LEAST its a new card, so its already strictly superior to a reprint in the same rarity ; but if you upshift the rarity, it will only upset people badly.
There is pretty much nobody that says "I like that they upshifted Pelakka Wurm to rare" , and if there is, i call that person downright insane and they should slap themselves for that (seriously, who actively enjoys getting handed crap and then turns to call that a great present, cmon, have some dignity).
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Is it the end of the world ?
No.
But its something they pull from time to time and it should never happen at all, as it simply has only downsides of making people seriously angry about it.
This should be requisite reading for this thread. Well thought out and well presented. Thank you.
And I like the idea of draft/limited packs vs. constructed/casual to competitive. Would solve a lot of problems.
A requisite for quoting others should be that you actually read what you are quoting, as Lithl pointed out.
What’s funny is that actually proves my point. In your “emotional” state, you are immune to logic and reason(which is exactly what I laid out, and you failed to read correctly) and are just complaining because you don’t like it, not because they’re wrong.
Also, I’d say you’re numbers are backwards. The 1% is you(and your followers here). I’ve been into a half dozen or so shops since M19 was spoiled, this has never been brought up. Not during limited games, not during FNM, not during 4+ hour commander sessions, not once. So, I’d say you’re in the minority here, ecspecially since you’ve gone on record for not drafting or participating in standard. To which I say, why the hell does it matter to you?
Um... read what you're quoting a little closer. Avatar of Might isn't being called laughable, Terastodon is. And Terastodon isn't being called laughable because it's bad, but because it's too good (and also encourages land destruction, which Wizards doesn't like to print much if any of any more). The text you're quoting isn't saying Avatar of Might is a better choice for the set than Pelakka Wurm, it's saying Avatar of Might is a stronger card than Pelakka Wurm, and putting it into this limited environment instead would be a bad thing.
I knew exactly what he was stating and what I meant. Yes I was referring to Terastodon. So a 8 cmc land destruction card (with a big drawback mind you, giving 3 3/3 creatures, is going to break down limited to the point of destruction? Baloney. Hey and it might give you a use to play that Crucible of Worlds you pulled that would be useless any other way. I can't debate with someone who is so staunch on their stance. We have to agree to disagree and move on.
The vast majority of players are casuals who probably don't even know the wurm was upshifted so they can't be angry
Their ignorance and naiveté won't save them later when they try to trade a worthless Pelakka Wurm and nobody takes them up on it. Then they try to trade it for store credit and get laughed out of the building. Their feel bad moment is just a delayed one, but its going to be a feel bad moment plain and simple.
The card should have stayed at Uncommon. Pulling 2 or 3 in the 6 packs in your Pre-release is highly unlikely. On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
I don't understand while some players think Wizards can't do anything wrong. Businesses must just love to see consumers with such blind faith and devotion glazing their eyes over so they can do just about anything. So again, I have to leave at agree to disagree and we move on. I'll let others take up the torch if they want.
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The vast majority of players are casuals who probably don't even know the wurm was upshifted so they can't be angry
Their ignorance and naiveté won't save them later when they try to trade a worthless Pelakka Wurm and nobody takes them up on it. Then they try to trade it for store credit and get laughed out of the building. Their feel bad moment is just a delayed one, but its going to be a feel bad moment plain and simple.
Which describes every bulk rare ever. Every single one, new cards and reprints alike. That has nothing to do with a rarity upshift.
I don't understand while some players think Wizards can't do anything wrong.
I don't understand why some players can't give them a break. Every action is double-guessed and blindly criticized. Sometimes cards go up in rarity, sometimes they go down. It depends largely on the needs of a particular play environment. I'll grant that upshifts to mythic can be money related (to help sell a set), but a lot of rarity shifts are not.
Um... read what you're quoting a little closer. Avatar of Might isn't being called laughable, Terastodon is. And Terastodon isn't being called laughable because it's bad, but because it's too good (and also encourages land destruction, which Wizards doesn't like to print much if any of any more). The text you're quoting isn't saying Avatar of Might is a better choice for the set than Pelakka Wurm, it's saying Avatar of Might is a stronger card than Pelakka Wurm, and putting it into this limited environment instead would be a bad thing.
I knew exactly what he was stating and what I meant. Yes I was referring to Terastodon. So a 8 cmc land destruction card (with a big drawback mind you, giving 3 3/3 creatures, is going to break down limited to the point of destruction? Baloney. Hey and it might give you a use to play that Crucible of Worlds you pulled that would be useless any other way. I can't debate with someone who is so staunch on their stance. We have to agree to disagree and move on.
The vast majority of players are casuals who probably don't even know the wurm was upshifted so they can't be angry
Their ignorance and naiveté won't save them later when they try to trade a worthless Pelakka Wurm and nobody takes them up on it. Then they try to trade it for store credit and get laughed out of the building. Their feel bad moment is just a delayed one, but its going to be a feel bad moment plain and simple.
The card should have stayed at Uncommon. Pulling 2 or 3 in the 6 packs in your Pre-release is highly unlikely. On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
I don't understand while some players think Wizards can't do anything wrong. Businesses must just love to see consumers with such blind faith and devotion glazing their eyes over so they can do just about anything. So again, I have to leave at agree to disagree and we move on. I'll let others take up the torch if they want.
Agree to disagree would be that you both have valid, but differing opinions. To say that a Terastodon would not ruin Limited is just so uninformed, it’s really a slap in the face, considering you don’t play it anyways.(So, wheat exactly are you basing your opinions off of again? Certainly isn’t personal experience). That’s why I say it’s “complaining”. It’s not logical or informed, it’s just mind numbing hate. They upshifted an uncommon, HOW DARE THEY! I won’t be buying the packs, or be playing with the cards, but HOW DARE THEY!
If at the end of the day, Pelakka Wurm being upshifted causes you to “lose faith” in a company and prevents you from buying their product(which you said you weren’t going to anyways... this just make sure me LOL every time) then, bye? Another will replace you, it’s not like the games survived 25+ years or anything. What I hate is consumers who think their individual opinion somehow matters. It’s a collective, and so far, you’re numbers are pretty underwhelming.
On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
Um... read what you're quoting a little closer. Avatar of Might isn't being called laughable, Terastodon is. And Terastodon isn't being called laughable because it's bad, but because it's too good (and also encourages land destruction, which Wizards doesn't like to print much if any of any more). The text you're quoting isn't saying Avatar of Might is a better choice for the set than Pelakka Wurm, it's saying Avatar of Might is a stronger card than Pelakka Wurm, and putting it into this limited environment instead would be a bad thing.
I knew exactly what he was stating and what I meant. Yes I was referring to Terastodon. So a 8 cmc land destruction card (with a big drawback mind you, giving 3 3/3 creatures, is going to break down limited to the point of destruction? Baloney. Hey and it might give you a use to play that Crucible of Worlds you pulled that would be useless any other way. I can't debate with someone who is so staunch on their stance. We have to agree to disagree and move on.
The vast majority of players are casuals who probably don't even know the wurm was upshifted so they can't be angry
Their ignorance and naiveté won't save them later when they try to trade a worthless Pelakka Wurm and nobody takes them up on it. Then they try to trade it for store credit and get laughed out of the building. Their feel bad moment is just a delayed one, but its going to be a feel bad moment plain and simple.
The card should have stayed at Uncommon. Pulling 2 or 3 in the 6 packs in your Pre-release is highly unlikely. On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
I don't understand while some players think Wizards can't do anything wrong. Businesses must just love to see consumers with such blind faith and devotion glazing their eyes over so they can do just about anything. So again, I have to leave at agree to disagree and we move on. I'll let others take up the torch if they want.
Agree to disagree would be that you both have valid, but differing opinions. To say that a Terastodon would not ruin Limited is just so uninformed, it’s really a slap in the face, considering you don’t play it anyways.(So, wheat exactly are you basing your opinions off of again? Certainly isn’t personal experience). That’s why I say it’s “complaining”. It’s not logical or informed, it’s just mind numbing hate. They upshifted an uncommon, HOW DARE THEY! I won’t be buying the packs, or be playing with the cards, but HOW DARE THEY!
If at the end of the day, Pelakka Wurm being upshifted causes you to “lose faith” in a company and prevents you from buying their product(which you said you weren’t going to anyways... this just make sure me LOL every time) then, bye? Another will replace you, it’s not like the games survived 25+ years or anything. What I hate is consumers who think their individual opinion somehow matters. It’s a collective, and so far, you’re numbers are pretty underwhelming.
On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
Duh, thats the card I was referring to. How many of those are you going to get in your 6 pack prerelease pack? One, maybe 2?
You aren't even trying to listen, which isn't surprising. How about if I stop you stop too? Fair enough. Agree to disagree and move on. Both parties leave their points and others come in with theirs. Can you drop it DUDE BRAH HOMESLICE PLAYA, I can.
I don't understand why some players can't give them a break
I do quite a bit of the time. Those posts are usually conveniently ignored. I thought Dominaria was great. I've commented on some of the decent choices of reprints in C19. Others do as well. Its not a sin to demand more from a company. Its not a sin to call out a bad rarity shift. I've been purchasing from this company for longer than many on this board has been alive. I've spent a lot of money. And I've passed on a lot of chaff and will continue to do so. But letting things slide never ends well.
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Terastodon wouldnt "break" any limited format, but its far from a bad card.
Its still an 8 mana expensive bomb, but thats like any half decent limited bomb (the 5 and lower mana "you win the game" kind of card tend to be way better, but they really dominate the limited format).
If they badly wanted Terastodon could totally have been in M19, but they decreased a lot of powerlevel cards by quite a margin and its much more of a card they slam dunk in every commander precon they print (look at how often and in what sets it was reprinted, its crazy how often they reprinted it, like they have no other choice at all and "must" include it)
What makes Terastodon truly stupid is any form of cheating it in play early and repeating the effect at will ; thats the moment the card just loses all that could possible keep it somewhat fair.
I mean in Limited you probably just kill you OWN lands to get more 3/3 creatures to actually win against an opponent, which is far from a bad deal (but its not even that much crazier than other stupidity at that manacost, 8+ mana rare cards really tend to be on that kind of level, and thats normally cool and fine, as thats what makes them interesting).
That’s why I say it’s “complaining”. It’s not logical or informed, it’s just mind numbing hate. They upshifted an uncommon, HOW DARE THEY! I won’t be buying the packs, or be playing with the cards, but HOW DARE THEY!
Its important to understand that some people just need to rant about something.
Its easy to read way too much into that, just draw a mental line that people probably dont mean it in a extreme way you would assume.
But after blowing that steam off, theres still a real complaint and a real issue behind it.
WotC can easily avoid that if they just dont upshift uncommons to rare, thats all they need to do, just dont do it, problem solved.
Its a very avoidable issue , it costs them literally nothing and if that makes the impression to the customer better, thats exactly what you would expect to happen.
Kinda like Make magic great again ;P
I mean theres plenty of reasons to hate any form of rarity upshift, like Scapeshift and Crucible of Worlds (especially as they so insanely unplayable garbage in that set) , but at least they carry some kind of value, so the "intend" is very very clear and complaining about making a profit from a booster pack is quite a stretch.
But here again, making "new" cards on a good powerlevel that compete with the reprints is always better than just opt for the cheap and easy way out and choosing a money card for the sake of reprinting a money card (which just makes that card lose value, which is a long term terrible approach, but here the player base is split into different camps too, as the game simply tries to do very different things at the same time).
That said, theres plenty of issues in the game, but here its really only about the single decision of upshifting a uncommon to a rare.
Do you like that decision ? Like seriously ? Do you just ignore it because you literally dont care for the card anyway ? Or do you not even care at all for what decisions WotC is doing ?
I am absolutely sure people have very different opinions of each of these questions, and thats fine as long as people are somewhat honest about their critique.
Terastodon is just an example FFS. One with the Machine is a new card amd Djinn of Wishes always was a rare so they are not comprable to the wurm. Why would complain about downshift of rarity? Thats good for everyone..
What is a better card... Thorn Elemental or Pelakka Wurm? It doesn't also dispute the point that WOTC prints garbage rares all the damn time. Wizards also made mistakes on rarity all the damn time. Wurm should have never been an uncommon. The card has psuedo evasion, a good and relevant ETB effect and replaces itself when it dies. That is a rare power level card
Cool, i agreed that Pellaka Wurm is a rare worthy card. So the question is why reprint it in the core set? Who asked for it? Specially been upshifted at RARE. Just leave it alone at uncomon and reprint soemthing else in dire need, not reprint a uncomon at rare just cause. The Pellaka Wurm is more agregious, unlike the Djinn of Wishes, is the rarity upshift of a reprinted card that noone asked for.
The reason I'm not so bent on holding WotC's feet to the fire for this is simply that they don't do this super often. I still don't like it, but it's not a pattern. If it was, I'd be sharpening my pitchfork too.
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Terastodon is just an example FFS. One with the Machine is a new card amd Djinn of Wishes always was a rare so they are not comprable to the wurm. Why would complain about downshift of rarity? Thats good for everyone..
What is a better card... Thorn Elemental or Pelakka Wurm? It doesn't also dispute the point that WOTC prints garbage rares all the damn time. Wizards also made mistakes on rarity all the damn time. Wurm should have never been an uncommon. The card has psuedo evasion, a good and relevant ETB effect and replaces itself when it dies. That is a rare power level card
Cool, i agreed that Pellaka Wurm is a rare worthy card. So the question is why reprint it in the core set? Who asked for it? Specially been upshifted at RARE. Just leave it alone at uncomon and reprint soemthing else in dire need, not reprint a uncomon at rare just cause. The Pellaka Wurm is more agregious, unlike the Djinn of Wishes, is the rarity upshift of a reprinted card that noone asked for.
I am sorry I thought the original purpose for bring back Core was to have good functional reprints and to fix mistakes in Standard. This card, depending on how the new Ravnica set fleshes could do both. I see no issue with it whatsoever especially considering that the new Ravnica block ill likely have Shocks. Would you have rather them reprint Thragtusk?
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Okay, I'll capitulate a bit. How about 99% feels bad?
They could have put Worldspine Wurm or Craterhoof Behemoth at lowered rarity in that slot instead. And if not those how about Avatar of Might or Terastodon staying at rare. Would have hit the big green Timmy card for draft/limited AND provided a more valuable reprint for those in constructed. Or how about just designing a NEW big green creature and printing it in that slot. One that could hit the draft diehards but also be of possible use the 99% of the rest of playership. I'm not letting Wizards off the hook on this one and many are willing to give them a pass on these poor decisions when it comes to value and/or constructed playability.
I hear what you say and agree with part of it. Just because its right for a tiny sliver of playership doesn't make it right for the MAJORITY of playership. It should have been left at uncommon, period. I've got to leave it at that.
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The solution is to avoid all of them, not blame each problem with the other to somehow "justify" them and just keep the problem.
NO for real, avoid problems and find solutions.
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Ofcourse there are cards so terrible in Limited that they are borderline unplayable.
These cards are always annoying to have in Limited.
A card that is flat out unplayable is always a bad moment. If the card at least does something in constructed, thats something.
But that issue will always be true as long as Limited and Constructed cards are in the same product.
They could ofcourse sell boosters with constructed cards and boosters with Limited card (which are flat out worse, but cheaper, as they are for draft / limited).
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As long as cards are mixed , you will always have the odd unplayable cards in your pool, which is a major downside, but its also fundamentally tied to the booster business model and will most likely never change (but we still get non-randomized product like Commander decks that are massively successful, and for casual players thats a much better payout).
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The Pelakka Wurm issue however has nothing to do with opening crap rares.
Its not even a bad card at all in a vacuum, but there still is the fact that its upshifted from uncommon to rare.
So the entire topic is about if you think upshifting upcommons to rare is "good" or "acceptable" ; or outright an insult to collectors and fans.
I side by the later, thats why i so deeply hate this reprint and everytime i see it.
Its the same deal with a rares upshifted to mythic, if they are absolutely worthless ; the existence of Tree of Redemption is a meme and shops even promoted a special deal with that abomination of a stupidity (like open a Tree and get a new Booster for free, right in the store immediately).
Upshifting cards is just always terrible, outside of very few exceptions of expensive cards from the past ; when rarity was pretty much not a real thing (namely Force of Will, Mana Drain and friends). Nobody will argue against any of them, but it should be obvisious to anyone that thats not the issue of something like Pelakka Wurm.
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Simply imagine they printed a different card, somewhat equal to the wurm (and no, not a direct 1to1 copy with a different name, thats just "almost" as terrible and pretty much on the same level of stupidity of R&D).
A new card might be equally good or bad as the reprint, but AT LEAST its a new card, so its already strictly superior to a reprint in the same rarity ; but if you upshift the rarity, it will only upset people badly.
There is pretty much nobody that says "I like that they upshifted Pelakka Wurm to rare" , and if there is, i call that person downright insane and they should slap themselves for that (seriously, who actively enjoys getting handed crap and then turns to call that a great present, cmon, have some dignity).
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Is it the end of the world ?
No.
But its something they pull from time to time and it should never happen at all, as it simply has only downsides of making people seriously angry about it.
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If there is a group that is a “tiny sliver”, it’s those complaining about this. There are far more who people who don’t care and understand than there are those complaining.
Want to talk about feel bad? Ever open a Masters booster? Or how about building a standard deck?
And I have a huge problem with this-
As an owner of the former, I’d be pissed. First, they are pricey, and printing at rare would kill their worth. I pulled a CHB in a $7 Masters pack, bigger feel bad than Pelakka Wurm at rare, by a mile. Also, both would be limited warping bombs, and probably be really good in Standard. So, because you didnt get any other worthless bin rare, you’d prefer they Warp two of their primary formats? Does that even sound like a logical exchange? Of the cards listed, Avatar of Might would probably be the safest(Terastodon is out of the question, and just laughable as a suggestion, sorry), but still better than Wurm, which is a problem.
Also, this was in the PW deck. So, you’d easily have a group of whiners complaining that the PW deck got a good rare and wizards is screwing the playerbase by forcing them to buy that product.
If this thread proves anything, it’s that people as a whole will never be pleased, and they complain about anything.
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That's why I avoid both. Didn't buy a single pack of Massturds 25 and I don't play Standard one bit. No one is holding a gun to the buyers head and forcing them to buy the crap product. I actually waited to buy a box of Iconic Masters when in dropped to $120 USD shipped months after release. 5 bucks a pack was palatable for those and I actually got some decent stuff and came out ahead money wise.
So my absolute worst, most garbage, "laughable" choice in that slot, IS STILL BETTER THAN WIZARDS CHOICE OF PELAKKA WURM. Proves my point and speaks volumes doesn't it? Thanks for proving my point. As for reprint equity, I own a lot of cards myself that are at artificially high values and if the prices drop a bit to a bunch, so be it.
You are confusing complaining with valid critique. Of course people on the other side of an issue will try to diminish the value of a critique by calling it a complaint. NEVER SETTLE. We have too many people that do.
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This should be requisite reading for this thread. Well thought out and well presented. Thank you.
And I like the idea of draft/limited packs vs. constructed/casual to competitive. Would solve a lot of problems.
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Its not outright wrong, but its also just a particularly small part of the coin.
Rarity is so much more in the game, and nobody can deny that.
Rarity even carries a meaning at this point with Pauper and WotC clearly indicates that they will take it into account for future set design (they simply make stuff common just to please Pauper).
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…. and cater to the 1% of playership who cares about it over the 99% of playership that is annoyed by it. Look there are many good inclusions in this set, but that doesn't mean we need to ignore the steaming turd upshift that THEY KNOW creates 99% feel bad on opening.
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*Its obviously not 1% but it is an insignificantly small amount. Competative players need to take a step back and realize they are the minority which is why Wizards is constantly catering to the casual majority. If you can do this you can actually give helpful feed back rather than pointless point out things that you don't like that were never meant for you.
Knowing that lends a lot of credence to all those posts.
Terastodan in a generic limited format would be a limited all-star. In Dominara we have Thorn Elemental at uncommon at the same cmc. Thorn Elemental was previously a rare. Should it have been here instead? As others have said, Wurm was an uncommon in a battlecruiser set. 95% of sets Wurm is a rare yet some people want to hold onto that rarity. Why don't people complain about Elemental. As far as cracking a pack, more than half of rares in any set are bulk Opening one Pelakka Wurm isn't going to kill your EVQ more than say One with the Machine or Djinn of Wishes.
What is a better card... Thorn Elemental or Pelakka Wurm? It doesn't also dispute the point that WOTC prints garbage rares all the damn time. Wizards also made mistakes on rarity all the damn time. Wurm should have never been an uncommon. The card has psuedo evasion, a good and relevant ETB effect and replaces itself when it dies. That is a rare power level card
A requisite for quoting others should be that you actually read what you are quoting, as Lithl pointed out.
What’s funny is that actually proves my point. In your “emotional” state, you are immune to logic and reason(which is exactly what I laid out, and you failed to read correctly) and are just complaining because you don’t like it, not because they’re wrong.
Also, I’d say you’re numbers are backwards. The 1% is you(and your followers here). I’ve been into a half dozen or so shops since M19 was spoiled, this has never been brought up. Not during limited games, not during FNM, not during 4+ hour commander sessions, not once. So, I’d say you’re in the minority here, ecspecially since you’ve gone on record for not drafting or participating in standard. To which I say, why the hell does it matter to you?
I knew exactly what he was stating and what I meant. Yes I was referring to Terastodon. So a 8 cmc land destruction card (with a big drawback mind you, giving 3 3/3 creatures, is going to break down limited to the point of destruction? Baloney. Hey and it might give you a use to play that Crucible of Worlds you pulled that would be useless any other way. I can't debate with someone who is so staunch on their stance. We have to agree to disagree and move on.
Their ignorance and naiveté won't save them later when they try to trade a worthless Pelakka Wurm and nobody takes them up on it. Then they try to trade it for store credit and get laughed out of the building. Their feel bad moment is just a delayed one, but its going to be a feel bad moment plain and simple.
The card should have stayed at Uncommon. Pulling 2 or 3 in the 6 packs in your Pre-release is highly unlikely. On top of that you have to be able to ramp to play it at any decent speed as well.
I don't understand while some players think Wizards can't do anything wrong. Businesses must just love to see consumers with such blind faith and devotion glazing their eyes over so they can do just about anything. So again, I have to leave at agree to disagree and we move on. I'll let others take up the torch if they want.
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Agree to disagree would be that you both have valid, but differing opinions. To say that a Terastodon would not ruin Limited is just so uninformed, it’s really a slap in the face, considering you don’t play it anyways.(So, wheat exactly are you basing your opinions off of again? Certainly isn’t personal experience). That’s why I say it’s “complaining”. It’s not logical or informed, it’s just mind numbing hate. They upshifted an uncommon, HOW DARE THEY! I won’t be buying the packs, or be playing with the cards, but HOW DARE THEY!
If at the end of the day, Pelakka Wurm being upshifted causes you to “lose faith” in a company and prevents you from buying their product(which you said you weren’t going to anyways... this just make sure me LOL every time) then, bye? Another will replace you, it’s not like the games survived 25+ years or anything. What I hate is consumers who think their individual opinion somehow matters. It’s a collective, and so far, you’re numbers are pretty underwhelming.
You mean like this? In a common slot? Dude, stop.
Duh, thats the card I was referring to. How many of those are you going to get in your 6 pack prerelease pack? One, maybe 2?
You aren't even trying to listen, which isn't surprising. How about if I stop you stop too? Fair enough. Agree to disagree and move on. Both parties leave their points and others come in with theirs. Can you drop it DUDE BRAH HOMESLICE PLAYA, I can.
I do quite a bit of the time. Those posts are usually conveniently ignored. I thought Dominaria was great. I've commented on some of the decent choices of reprints in C19. Others do as well. Its not a sin to demand more from a company. Its not a sin to call out a bad rarity shift. I've been purchasing from this company for longer than many on this board has been alive. I've spent a lot of money. And I've passed on a lot of chaff and will continue to do so. But letting things slide never ends well.
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Its still an 8 mana expensive bomb, but thats like any half decent limited bomb (the 5 and lower mana "you win the game" kind of card tend to be way better, but they really dominate the limited format).
If they badly wanted Terastodon could totally have been in M19, but they decreased a lot of powerlevel cards by quite a margin and its much more of a card they slam dunk in every commander precon they print (look at how often and in what sets it was reprinted, its crazy how often they reprinted it, like they have no other choice at all and "must" include it)
What makes Terastodon truly stupid is any form of cheating it in play early and repeating the effect at will ; thats the moment the card just loses all that could possible keep it somewhat fair.
I mean in Limited you probably just kill you OWN lands to get more 3/3 creatures to actually win against an opponent, which is far from a bad deal (but its not even that much crazier than other stupidity at that manacost, 8+ mana rare cards really tend to be on that kind of level, and thats normally cool and fine, as thats what makes them interesting).
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Its important to understand that some people just need to rant about something.
Its easy to read way too much into that, just draw a mental line that people probably dont mean it in a extreme way you would assume.
But after blowing that steam off, theres still a real complaint and a real issue behind it.
WotC can easily avoid that if they just dont upshift uncommons to rare, thats all they need to do, just dont do it, problem solved.
Its a very avoidable issue , it costs them literally nothing and if that makes the impression to the customer better, thats exactly what you would expect to happen.
Kinda like Make magic great again ;P
I mean theres plenty of reasons to hate any form of rarity upshift, like Scapeshift and Crucible of Worlds (especially as they so insanely unplayable garbage in that set) , but at least they carry some kind of value, so the "intend" is very very clear and complaining about making a profit from a booster pack is quite a stretch.
But here again, making "new" cards on a good powerlevel that compete with the reprints is always better than just opt for the cheap and easy way out and choosing a money card for the sake of reprinting a money card (which just makes that card lose value, which is a long term terrible approach, but here the player base is split into different camps too, as the game simply tries to do very different things at the same time).
That said, theres plenty of issues in the game, but here its really only about the single decision of upshifting a uncommon to a rare.
Do you like that decision ? Like seriously ? Do you just ignore it because you literally dont care for the card anyway ? Or do you not even care at all for what decisions WotC is doing ?
I am absolutely sure people have very different opinions of each of these questions, and thats fine as long as people are somewhat honest about their critique.
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Cool, i agreed that Pellaka Wurm is a rare worthy card. So the question is why reprint it in the core set? Who asked for it? Specially been upshifted at RARE. Just leave it alone at uncomon and reprint soemthing else in dire need, not reprint a uncomon at rare just cause. The Pellaka Wurm is more agregious, unlike the Djinn of Wishes, is the rarity upshift of a reprinted card that noone asked for.
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I am sorry I thought the original purpose for bring back Core was to have good functional reprints and to fix mistakes in Standard. This card, depending on how the new Ravnica set fleshes could do both. I see no issue with it whatsoever especially considering that the new Ravnica block ill likely have Shocks. Would you have rather them reprint Thragtusk?