Couldn't they have found something else to be reprinted? Makes no sense, what does Pellaka Wurm reprint contributes to the game? Din't knew it was in high demand or opened a new arhctype for standard.....
It's not about standard; it's about limited.
About Limtied? So what does Pellaka Wurm contribute to "limited" then? Couldn't get something else instead?
Defending thsi type of stuff jsut because its limtied really is something....
The self-righteousness and hyperbole in this thread is staggering. Yeah guys, this sucks as a rarity upshift, but calm down. Core 19, like every set ever, has its share of worthless jank rares. This is not a big deal. Yes, it didn't have to be Pelakka Wurm, and it didn't need to be reprinted at all. But it was. The world didn't end when Auriok Salvagers got called up, and it won't end now. This too shall pass.
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Someone made that decision and its such a terrible one that you cannot be in that position to make MORE of these decisions. Ignore it and keep that person and expect more of that garbage to come to light.
To someone who does not work at the company or know if the company thinks it was right. Cards like that at uncommon can wreck limited environments. So its possible people with a little more insight think this was the right decision. Even if it was a bad upshift, multiple people were involved in that choice. No on person needs to get the axe, even IF it is deemed a mistake.
Its just as likely a "new" bulk rare wouldn't be good in limited either. Its not just about cracking packs.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
About Limtied? So what does Pellaka Wurm contribute to "limited" then? Couldn't get something else instead?
A bomb? Seriously, you act like Pelakka Wurm is a terrible card in limited, but it's not. Have you ever played it in limited? Yes, it's disappointing that it's been upshifted, but trust me, there's a lot worse cards it could be. Let me ask - can you name an uncommon you'd rather see upshifted that would be better in limited?
The self-righteousness and hyperbole in this thread is staggering. Yeah guys, this sucks as a rarity upshift, but calm down. Core 19, like every set ever, has its share of worthless jank rares. This is not a big deal. Yes, it didn't have to be Pelakka Wurm, and it didn't need to be reprinted at all. But it was. The world didn't end when Auriok Salvagers got called up, and it won't end now. This too shall pass.
These are plain mistakes and unnecessary upshifts that only made people angry.
If the easy solution is to not upshift them or simply not reprint them in that set as an upshift, then thats the way to go ; instead of shoving it in peoples faces and pretending "Oh well, people wont care so i dont care".
Its easy to avoid these upshifts and theres no reason to do them at all , if the net gain is making people angry, and the best case is that people just dont care at all for the cards (and people that dont care simply dont matter in any form of discussion as they clearly dont give a crap anyway).
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Simply said, a new BAD/WORTHLESS card is strictly superior to a BAD and guaranteed WORTHLESS upshifted card.
A new card is always a new card, nobody will already own the card.
If the card would "at least" have a new artwork or anything to justify its existence, but as it is, the only part that will be remembered of this card is "upshifted from uncommon" and thats as unnecessary as it gets.
Pelakka Wurm is an extremely playable card. It's at rare for limited purposes, but even then I'd be happy to crack it in draft. Think about all the Legendary Sorceries in Dominaria that were bunk in limited. Kamahl's Druidic Vow and Primeval's glorious Rebirth are an utter "waste" of a rare slot by draft standards. Be Glade Pelakka Wurm ain't them.
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And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
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If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
About Limtied? So what does Pellaka Wurm contribute to "limited" then? Couldn't get something else instead?
A bomb? Seriously, you act like Pelakka Wurm is a terrible card in limited, but it's not. Have you ever played it in limited? Yes, it's disappointing that it's been upshifted, but trust me, there's a lot worse cards it could be. Let me ask - can you name an uncommon you'd rather see upshifted that would be better in limited?
I never claimed it was a bad card. Its a great one and deserving of rare status, but thats too late and it ebcame uncomon. Im asking as to WHY reprint it at all? Just to anoy people by putting into rare.
I never claimed it was a bad card. Its a great one and deserving of rare status, but thats too late and it ebcame uncomon. Im asking as to WHY reprint it at all? Just to anoy people by putting into rare.
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Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
Oh man, that would have been way better than Magistrate's Scepter. And I did sit next to a guy who got a Tezz promo.
I'd take the scepter over the wurm any day. I pretty much was forced into blue red garbage and lost terribly to black green stompy both times after winning the mirror match in R1. I mana flooded hard each game and the scepter would have been a welcome mana sink.
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Are we really having a complaint thread about Pelakka Wurm being upshifted in a core set? I can understand a Masters set being upset but a $3 booster? Stop
Did not expect it to be upshifted. Anyway, it's a useful card that I bought a playset during ROE standard. Would just feel bad though... if some rares in the booster box turned out to be Pelakka Wurms.
It shows that rarity really is about power and when they print a powerful card at a lower rarity it was by mistake, a mistake they correct by upshifting the rarity on reprints.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
Pelakka Wurm wasn't printed at uncommon by mistake in ROE. ROE was full of big beatstick creatures, and while PK was certainly limited-playable, it wouldn't ruin your match if your opponent managed to pull two or three of them in their sealed pool.
In contrast, printing PK at uncommon in M19 would have been a mistake, because the set isn't stuffed full of creatures that can compete with a 7/7 trampler. If PK were once again uncommon, we'd be hearing very different complaints about people's prereleases; instead of "wah, I opened a PK instead of Tezzeret", we'd hear "wah, my opponent stomped me with multiple PKs and there wasn't anything I could do about it".
Yeah like PKW vs Artisan of Kozilek makes PKW look real bad. There are better rares and mythics to complain about, but i'm saying that as someone who is basically magnetized to the "bad red mythic" of every set.
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Uncommon is still fairly rare. In 6 booster packs you might have one, but thats about it.
Having 2 of the same uncommon is already a stretch.
3+ would just be super lucky.
And its not like we dont get any really bomby uncommons, we get plenty of them.
And its still a 7 mana card.
It totally could have been uncommon, without any big issue (there even is the red 7 damage spell, which is fairly odd as it is).
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However the real topic that is questionable is if WotC should upshift uncommons to rare at all.
Whats the actual benefit of doing that ?
Its a guaranteed feel bad moment for people (just like printing cards that are flat out terrible).
The wurm isnt a bad card on its own, the only point is that upshifting it to rare gives it the feel bad attributes, it wouldnt have as an uncommon (or not printing it at all, if you can avoid it).
Magic players complain about the most useless things.
And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
Case in point. 100% feel bad. Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft. WotC knows better and they keep on pulling these shenanigans.
In contrast, printing PK at uncommon in M19 would have been a mistake, because the set isn't stuffed full of creatures that can compete with a 7/7 trampler. If PK were once again uncommon, we'd be hearing very different complaints about people's prereleases; instead of "wah, I opened a PK instead of Tezzeret", we'd hear "wah, my opponent stomped me with multiple PKs and there wasn't anything I could do about it".
Then it shouldn't have been in the set at all. This "for draft" nonsense is getting out of hand. Nothing like getting 2 or 3 of these in your booster box in the rare slot when you can buy them for literal pennies on TCGPlayer. Again, far more packs are being sold to casual/collectors/for fun players than there are for the draft crowd. It was a bad call.
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Magic players complain about the most useless things.
And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
Case in point. 100% feel bad. Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft. WotC knows better and they keep on pulling these shenanigans.
I got Detection Tower as my promo. My friend sitting across from me got Infernal Reckoning. Either one of us would have been ecstatic with Pelakka Wurm. There are much worse promos that are new cards that are absolutely terrible. Pelakka Wurm at least *does* something.
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And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
Case in point. 100% feel bad. Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft. WotC knows better and they keep on pulling these shenanigans.
I got Detection Tower as my promo. My friend sitting across from me got Infernal Reckoning. Either one of us would have been ecstatic with Pelakka Wurm. There are much worse promos that are new cards that are absolutely terrible. Pelakka Wurm at least *does* something.
I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
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I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
Which is, of course, the issue with this discussion and the way it has gone so far. This may be true for *you*. I am willing to accept that this may even be true for a majority of competitive players. My experience, as well as others in this thread, show that in a limited format, this card is good. It is not worth money, but honestly, 5 of my 7 rares were not worth anything in my sealed pool (luckily I opened an Ajani). I would have liked my promo to be a bomb instead of a useless card. I would have liked to have a card that made my pool better. I did not make money on my sealed pool with the promo I had. If I had a Wurm, I would not have either. However, with the Wurm, maybe my pool would have been good enough to go 3-1 or 4-0 which means I could then have made money on the prizes.
I am not suggesting that your complaints and concerns as not valid in the terms of Pack EV or value in a sealed pool. However, when you say thing like "100% feel bad" this suggests that you are entirely focused on one aspect of a set: the value in packs. And this is not what everyone is looking for. Not everyone opens packs for value. Some want to play the game. And some want to play the game via the Draft or Sealed formats and do well. Bombs like this allow those players to do well and putting it at rare allows that without warping the limited environment.
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Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft
This is more accurate. Way more packs are cracked for fun and by casual players than will ever be opened by limited players *or* collectors. The latter already know cracking packs will not get them what they want; they just buy the cards. The former are a group of players that nowhere near rivals that of casual players. And, I would reiterate what I said a bunch of posts back: a casual, for fun, player who just wants to play the game will most likely have no issue opening this as their rare. I have taught a number of people how to play and one in particular immediately gravitated to the Pelakka Wurm that was part of the cards I gave them. They had no concern of the value of their cards; they just wanted to play. And Wurm is enticing to play with.
Magic players complain about the most useless things.
And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
Case in point. 100% feel bad. Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft. WotC knows better and they keep on pulling these shenanigans.
I got Detection Tower as my promo. My friend sitting across from me got Infernal Reckoning. Either one of us would have been ecstatic with Pelakka Wurm. There are much worse promos that are new cards that are absolutely terrible. Pelakka Wurm at least *does* something.
The former is Commander-playable (and has fringe applications in Legacy), and the latter is potentially playable in Commander, Legacy, and Modern.
Whereas with Pelakka Wurm, what deck would you put that in? Commander "bad creatures tribal"?
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About Limtied? So what does Pellaka Wurm contribute to "limited" then? Couldn't get something else instead?
Defending thsi type of stuff jsut because its limtied really is something....
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Its just as likely a "new" bulk rare wouldn't be good in limited either. Its not just about cracking packs.
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These are plain mistakes and unnecessary upshifts that only made people angry.
If the easy solution is to not upshift them or simply not reprint them in that set as an upshift, then thats the way to go ; instead of shoving it in peoples faces and pretending "Oh well, people wont care so i dont care".
Its easy to avoid these upshifts and theres no reason to do them at all , if the net gain is making people angry, and the best case is that people just dont care at all for the cards (and people that dont care simply dont matter in any form of discussion as they clearly dont give a crap anyway).
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Simply said, a new BAD/WORTHLESS card is strictly superior to a BAD and guaranteed WORTHLESS upshifted card.
A new card is always a new card, nobody will already own the card.
If the card would "at least" have a new artwork or anything to justify its existence, but as it is, the only part that will be remembered of this card is "upshifted from uncommon" and thats as unnecessary as it gets.
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And they like to complain about complainers as well.
As for Pelakka Wurm it needs to be at uncommon imho. Another feel bad rare to crack when opening your booster box.
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I never claimed it was a bad card. Its a great one and deserving of rare status, but thats too late and it ebcame uncomon. Im asking as to WHY reprint it at all? Just to anoy people by putting into rare.
Try getting it as your promo when the guy next to you's promo is Tezz.
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Oh man, that would have been way better than Magistrate's Scepter. And I did sit next to a guy who got a Tezz promo.
I'd take the scepter over the wurm any day. I pretty much was forced into blue red garbage and lost terribly to black green stompy both times after winning the mirror match in R1. I mana flooded hard each game and the scepter would have been a welcome mana sink.
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In contrast, printing PK at uncommon in M19 would have been a mistake, because the set isn't stuffed full of creatures that can compete with a 7/7 trampler. If PK were once again uncommon, we'd be hearing very different complaints about people's prereleases; instead of "wah, I opened a PK instead of Tezzeret", we'd hear "wah, my opponent stomped me with multiple PKs and there wasn't anything I could do about it".
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Having 2 of the same uncommon is already a stretch.
3+ would just be super lucky.
And its not like we dont get any really bomby uncommons, we get plenty of them.
And its still a 7 mana card.
It totally could have been uncommon, without any big issue (there even is the red 7 damage spell, which is fairly odd as it is).
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However the real topic that is questionable is if WotC should upshift uncommons to rare at all.
Whats the actual benefit of doing that ?
Its a guaranteed feel bad moment for people (just like printing cards that are flat out terrible).
The wurm isnt a bad card on its own, the only point is that upshifting it to rare gives it the feel bad attributes, it wouldnt have as an uncommon (or not printing it at all, if you can avoid it).
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Case in point. 100% feel bad. Way more people crack packs for fun/casual/collectibility than those that are cracked to draft. WotC knows better and they keep on pulling these shenanigans.
Then it shouldn't have been in the set at all. This "for draft" nonsense is getting out of hand. Nothing like getting 2 or 3 of these in your booster box in the rare slot when you can buy them for literal pennies on TCGPlayer. Again, far more packs are being sold to casual/collectors/for fun players than there are for the draft crowd. It was a bad call.
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I'd take either one of those cards in a heartbeat over PW. Sure they will suck in Draft, but I'm looking longer term. I see 6 and 8 bucks respectively vs. 1 buck currently. Possible fringe play down the line in an Eternal format as well. I see the for draft aspect, I just don't think it should seemingly be defaulted to always.
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I am not suggesting that your complaints and concerns as not valid in the terms of Pack EV or value in a sealed pool. However, when you say thing like "100% feel bad" this suggests that you are entirely focused on one aspect of a set: the value in packs. And this is not what everyone is looking for. Not everyone opens packs for value. Some want to play the game. And some want to play the game via the Draft or Sealed formats and do well. Bombs like this allow those players to do well and putting it at rare allows that without warping the limited environment.
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This is more accurate. Way more packs are cracked for fun and by casual players than will ever be opened by limited players *or* collectors. The latter already know cracking packs will not get them what they want; they just buy the cards. The former are a group of players that nowhere near rivals that of casual players. And, I would reiterate what I said a bunch of posts back: a casual, for fun, player who just wants to play the game will most likely have no issue opening this as their rare. I have taught a number of people how to play and one in particular immediately gravitated to the Pelakka Wurm that was part of the cards I gave them. They had no concern of the value of their cards; they just wanted to play. And Wurm is enticing to play with.
The former is Commander-playable (and has fringe applications in Legacy), and the latter is potentially playable in Commander, Legacy, and Modern.
Whereas with Pelakka Wurm, what deck would you put that in? Commander "bad creatures tribal"?
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