So I was trading through Facebook, I sent the cards, and I got cheated, the other dude never sent. He has not responded to me, he seems to have left the group. it's not paranoia, I got played, and in hindsight it could have been avoided. I know I'm probably SOL, but are there any options that are reasonable on a $50 trade? any kind of claims or whatever, anything you all have done, short of GOING to that address?
His name is Tim Schoble btw, or at least his rofile on FB, don't deal with him
I'm not going to move heaven and earth, it's more of a curiousity if I have any reasonable options to either lean on him or make life difficult without bothering with an official police report or something not worth the trouble.
The real answer is get the local mtg community involved. That way all of his likely targets know that he's a cheat and won't trade.
Alternate answers include signing him up for hard to cancel mail order services in order to make his life more annoying, printing out posters of the dude's face captioned with ***** like Petty Thief then posting them everywhere, or finding him in town and breaking his legs. Use your best judgment.
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Quite honestly, going through the trouble to make an official report is exactly what you should do. Print out all the evidence you have, including PMs and emails, take it to the police, and let that person get hammered for mail fraud. Warning a very small percentage of a very small percentage of Magic players doesn't do anything, but an official investigation will almost certainly stop such behavior in the future.
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Cards are game pieces, and should be treated as such, easily replaceable.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
The value is just not worth it and its just naturally to get screwed over in online trading in any form.
Police reports are what you should do.
Nobody will bother anyway, but if a lot of police reports tingle in for the same person, they will be forced to take action ; not that it will help you in any way, but at least thats the only reasonable form of "justice" that can happen here.
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For online trading you better use some form of middle men that gets the money and confirmation of that mails are in fact send and arrive.
Its more expensive to do that, but for a 50$ order that could already be justified.
Beside that, the history of a person matters a lot in online trading.
If they have a lot of orders and always delivered, chances are they wont scam anybody, and even do a lot of effort to prevent any bad feedback (so even if a mail doesnt arrive, they might just give you all your money back to prevent a bad feedback).
For private persons thats not the case, and they will just be as lazy as everyone about it.
Ordering from private persons is a danger in itself, and you gamble on that, never forget what you actually do, especially if higher monetary value is involved it becomes more and more naive and downright stupidity.
^^^^ Take the advice of the last 2 members. File a report with the police. It won't get you your merchandise or money back but will build the case against that douchebag thief. If he stole from you, he has before and will do it again. He might already have priors as well. Eventually this butthole will slip up and get caught. You will be paying it forward to hopefully prevent it from happening to others, building up good karma in the process. Sorry for the loss of property, at least it wasn't a large amount.
Without being too nosey, what cards were lost to this crook? If its too personal, its okay.
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Sadly, there are always those kinds of people who would join a group. Is that his real name, and do you know his real picture? If you have it, then post it on your group to avoid future victims. One way to discourage people like them is to make them known to the local community, it's the method used in our local mtg group against scammers. Once he's well known to other members as a scammer.. he'll probably move away from your group.
Have always made deals on facebook by actual meetups on my office, with a guard near the door.. because mtg has money involved, and money sometimes attracts thieves. Almost never by shipping, so I have not been scammed by mail fraud style scams.
The real answer is get the local mtg community involved. That way all of his likely targets know that he's a cheat and won't trade.
Alternate answers include signing him up for hard to cancel mail order services in order to make his life more annoying, printing out posters of the dude's face captioned with ***** like Petty Thief then posting them everywhere, or finding him in town and breaking his legs. Use your best judgment.
i vote legs!
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His name is Tim Schoble btw, or at least his rofile on FB, don't deal with him
I'm not going to move heaven and earth, it's more of a curiousity if I have any reasonable options to either lean on him or make life difficult without bothering with an official police report or something not worth the trouble.
Alternate answers include signing him up for hard to cancel mail order services in order to make his life more annoying, printing out posters of the dude's face captioned with ***** like Petty Thief then posting them everywhere, or finding him in town and breaking his legs. Use your best judgment.
Art is life itself.
Cards are not money, investments, or a retirement fund, and should never have been treated as such.
Wizards made a mistake caving to speculators once, and we still pay for that mistake 2 decades later.
"Entitled:" the entire ad hominem fallacy condensed into a single word. It doesn't strengthen your argument to attack motivations, it just makes you look like you don't understand the argument.
Police reports are what you should do.
Nobody will bother anyway, but if a lot of police reports tingle in for the same person, they will be forced to take action ; not that it will help you in any way, but at least thats the only reasonable form of "justice" that can happen here.
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For online trading you better use some form of middle men that gets the money and confirmation of that mails are in fact send and arrive.
Its more expensive to do that, but for a 50$ order that could already be justified.
Beside that, the history of a person matters a lot in online trading.
If they have a lot of orders and always delivered, chances are they wont scam anybody, and even do a lot of effort to prevent any bad feedback (so even if a mail doesnt arrive, they might just give you all your money back to prevent a bad feedback).
For private persons thats not the case, and they will just be as lazy as everyone about it.
Ordering from private persons is a danger in itself, and you gamble on that, never forget what you actually do, especially if higher monetary value is involved it becomes more and more naive and downright stupidity.
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Without being too nosey, what cards were lost to this crook? If its too personal, its okay.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Have always made deals on facebook by actual meetups on my office, with a guard near the door.. because mtg has money involved, and money sometimes attracts thieves. Almost never by shipping, so I have not been scammed by mail fraud style scams.
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i vote legs!